3 July 2020 MWstake Meeting

Date (UTC):	3 July 2020 15:30:00 - 3 July 2020 16:30:00
URL:	https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb
Etherpad:	https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2020-07
Attendees:	Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Evita Hollis, Ike Hecht, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser, Peter Meyer, Richard Heigl

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Meeting agenda

1. Wait for attendees & chat 5 min
2. Wiki Quickie 5 min TBD
3. MediaWiki Blog Released 15 min Richard H
   • https://mediawiki.blog
   • Needs input: Authors, Corrections, Suggestions, etc.
4. This month in MediaWiki 15 min Mark A. Hershberger
5. Agenda Item XX min TBD
6. Wiki Watercooler remaining Open Mic

Notes

1. What's new in MediaWiki (Cindy) discussed what's coming in MediaWiki based off the notes prepared by Gergo (and reposted to mw.org here)
   • 1.35 (out in a few weeks) will be the last release to support Internet Explorer (T248061)
   • Uncached VisualEditor w/ Parsoid/PHP (no JS, no RESTBase) for MW 1.35 LTS (T248343)
   • SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec and a number of other hooks are being deprecated (T60137).
     • See https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-June/093556.html
     • See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jdlrobson/Skins_for_extension_developers
   • Extensions can now provide alternative database backends (instead of the core MySQL, Postgres etc): https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T226857
   • Gerrit updated to version 3. You can now create and edit patches via the web interface.
     • But apparently it will be replaced by GitLab next year: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Release_Engineering_Team/GitLab
     • GitLab is like a github, hosted elsewhere, e.g. WMF. It probably necessitates a switch from Jenkins to Argo.
   • (Peter) Is it extraordinarily difficult to support IE? I'm surprised. In the fed govt many of us are supposed to use IE for some things and Edge has been unusable I'm told
2. MediaWiki Logo change proposal
   • https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Proposal_for_changing_logo_of_MediaWiki,_2020
3. Wikimedia re-branding
   • Survey and open letter from community
     • https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9G2dN7P0T7gPqpD
     • https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_open_letter_on_renaming
   • Law of Triviality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
   • (Peter) I reviewed it and asked to hold until more information was captured
4. Abstract Wikipedia
   • Approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustee and Denny Vrandečić is joining the Foundation
   • It looks like this will be a place to put Wikipedia pages that automatically translate into many languages. The pages will have some kind of sentences that refer to Wikidata items.
   • (Mark) It may be too ambitious
     • https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/July_2020_announcement (Announcement)
     • https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilambda (Info)
     • https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.04733 (White Paper)
     • https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23714875 (Hacker News with some commentary)
5. Page Exchange
   • (Ike) Explained the extension use and development
   • https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Page_Exchange
   • (Cindy) Does PageExchange resolve https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T177496?
6. MediaWiki blog
   • (Richard) MediaWiki blog will be at https://mediawiki.blog (password protected)
   • (Richard) The blog is ready to go but needs some help and final decision over the domain (mediawiki.blog)
   • (Richard) Areas help is requested:
     • Articles
     • Expand "What's New"
     • "About us", for example a page on MWStake
     • Privacy law acceptable? It's written based on GDPR
       • (Bryan) If it's based on GDPR, it's likely ok for the rest of the world
   • Should Board Members have their affiliation listed? (i.e. Board member X works for company Y)
   • Will need articles - focused on mediawiki development? not enterprise wikis it seems

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