User:Bryan Hilderbrand/Meeting Notes (06JAN)

Attendees

• Bryan Hilderbrand
• Ike Hecht
• Lex Sulzer
• Lexi McGillivray
• Rich Evans
• Yaron Koren

Meeting notes for MediaWiki "Products" (Project Canasta) Discussion (Wed Jan 06 16:00-17:00 UTC 2020)

Notes

1. Yaron
   • What is the best Day/Time for these meetings? Is this Day (Wednesday) and Time (16:00 UTC / 08:00 PST / 11:00 EST / 17:00 CET) work OK for everyone?
     • This time is perfect for me Lex
     • Later in the day is better for me, though I will attend anyway Ike
     • I can support earlier or later Bryan
2. Yaron
   • Does anyone have an issue with the name, Project Canasta
   • As a reminder, it's just the code name for the project to work on this effort
   • No objection recorded
3. Yaron
   • The goal is to make a downloadable thing that allows you to quickly set-up and get a running wiki
   • Contenders seem to be a Docker based approach or an Ansible based approach
4. Lex
   • I use both in my setup for my virtual machine
   • I use Docker, then wrap everything up in a zip (see 2nd image below)
     • https://github.com/dataspects/dataspectsSystemBuilder
     • https://github.com/dataspects/dataspectsSystemBuilder/blob/master/docker-images/php-apache/Dockerfile
     • https://github.com/dataspects/dataspectsSystemBuilder/blob/master/ansible_playbooks/300_MediaWiki/300_install_mediawiki.yml

     

      

     

5. Rich
   • I thought Docker was a "single file deploy"
   • I think it's better to work on something existing (like Meza)
6. Lex
   • Docker can create any "level" at your discretion, the whole kitchen or per appliance
   • I was an early supporter of the Meza project (coined the term "Flock to Meza"), but it's too rigid for my goals
7. Rich
   • What you're describing sounds a lot like Meza, just type meza deploy and sit back
8. Lex
   • Docker is a process wrapper (see DataAspects System Builder above)
9. Yaron
   • For this project, we do want something "rigid" - runs predictably, without much need for user configuration
10. Bryan
    • As a note, the WMF has a Docker image they maintain:
      • https://hub.docker.com/_/mediawiki
    • Also, it seems Meza uses Docker:
      • https://github.com/enterprisemediawiki/meza/search?q=docker
11. Yaron
    • Meza doesn't seem to be maintained anymore, though there's QualityBox
12. Rich
    • Support for 1.35 is being worked on now
    • https://github.com/enterprisemediawiki/meza/tree/35.x
    • Element Meza room
13. Lex
    • Hallo Welt!/BlueSpice has an "all-in-one" Docker image for BlueSpice
      • https://hub.docker.com/r/bluespice/bluespice-free
      • https://github.com/hallowelt/docker-bluespice-free
14. Ike
    • With any project, I'm worried about the project's maintenance for continued success
15. Bryan
    • Does any path lock us into something someone might disagree with (OS, Webserver, etc.)
      • Actually, re-reading that, it would be impossible to make a decision without having someone disagree
16. Rich
    • Meza is only supported for CentOS and Debian - may or may not work with any other OS
17. Rich
    • Why not just use VirtualBox?
18. Lex
    • See my Virtual Box Ubuntu machine DNA
      • https://github.com/dataspects/dataspectsSystemBuilder/blob/master/STEP-0-VBoxManage-create-ubuntu-server.sh
19. Rich
    • There doesn't seem to be a professional way to push from Virtual Box to Production though
20. Yaron
    • Maybe something like VirtualBox can just be another option - we could provide Docker images that also include Linux
21. Yaron
    • Next meeting about infrastructure is in 2 weeks
      • Ideally we can include:
        1. Daren and James
        2. Richard and Markus from Hallo Welt
        3. Greg
        4. Cindy
    • Next week will be a Package discussion
22. Rich
    • I have the EMW-Meza wiki up and going:
      • https://emw-meza.site/emwdev/Main_Page
    • I'll create an EMW-Meza-Canasta wiki

Areas of focus

1. Three main parts to Project Canasta:
   • Platform (Meza, Sunflower Distribution, Docker approach, some combination, something entirely new)
   • Transfer (PX, Wikibase method, MABS, other)
   • Content (Actual Product/Package/Module/etc.)

Next steps

1. Next meeting is next week and will focus on a Content Package (CRM, ERP, etc.)
2. Next infrastructure meeting is in 2 weeks
3. Rich will create a "Canasta wiki" on the EMW-Meza site