Discuss Board Meeting

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Bernhard: Cindy Cindy. Did Cindy show?

Cindy: Thank you. Sorry.

Mark: Yeah, I can't see you all. I can only share my screen. Evidently. So.

Mark: yeah. So is Cindy. Is that correct? That the agree on revised membership terms that here is that basically the screenshot you posted?

Cindy: Yeah, with any modifications that folks would like.

Mark: Are there any modifications that people think we need? I think we have quorum here. So I think we can do this.

Markus: Just

Markus: find. Thanks. Brenda.

Bernhard: Yeah, I'll paste it in the chat.

Cindy: Oh, great!

Cindy: Yeah. The last

Markus: numbers, right? So we're talking about the membership fees.

Cindy: Also eliminating the

Cindy: 8 h of work

Markus: right?

Cindy: And also the number of the vote count

Cindy: and Brian wasn't said. It made a comment, saying he wasn't sure about the vote. Originally I had eliminated the number of votes and just made it. Everybody gets a vote.

Cindy: wait. The one I'm looking at now has vote weight at membership meetings right? And it if we have it in there, I think it should be

Bernhard: one, for if it's $500 for bronze for one vote, then it should. It's a silver to be 2 votes, not 5,

Bernhard: and that the corporate so you probably should should be

Bernhard: maybe 3 or so

Bernhard: before.

Bernhard: but not $1010 is a lot.

Cindy: Hand votes is a lot. I agree. That felt. That's why I sort of eliminated it a bit initially.

Cindy: was, I don't really like giving any organization that much.

Mark: So okay, so with those modifications which which make complete sense to me is

Mark: a. so that'd be 1 1 to

Mark: and 5

Mark: correct.

Cindy: Is that right?

Markus: 1, 1, 2

Markus: for yeah. But from tied up.

Cindy: So an individual is one. A bronze is one. a silver is 2, and a gold is 4, 5.

Cindy: So 1, 1, 2, and 5.

Cindy: And what about the other question? Is the number of discounted tickets for MW. State conferences.

Bernhard: Maybe also make it who went 5.

Cindy: So 1, 1, 2, 5.

Cindy: So really, just the 5 and 10 are becoming 2 and 5, yeah.

Bernhard: And I mean, the question also is, if you really want to promise Logos at the conferences.

Bernhard: because this is usually something that you pay extra as a as a conference sponsor. So it it kind of interferes a little bit. I mean, also the tickets interfere, but we can say we we had Mws take tickets already.

Bernhard: But if now there's someone with a

Bernhard: already proms membership

Bernhard: that is not

Bernhard: being a conference sponsor, I still have to put up his logo. Hmm.

Cindy: yeah, that III liked that as well. Bernardo. I think that's a good point as well. So just make logo displayed on mwstake orgy and at MW. Stick conferences.

Mark: Yes.

Bernhard: Okay. So if they want their logo at the conference, then they

Bernhard: we could say, a a gold member gets this.

Bernhard: because, independently of sponsoring individual conferences.

Bernhard: if you pay that much every year, you should have your logo on there. that that we could maybe promise, but no problems, and still I wouldn't do that

Mark: if if we did that I might change it to 5, to 3 for the for gold, and leave everything else the same. But just change it to 3,000. Say, Hey for this extra?

Mark: Logos!

Markus: How many code members do we have one?

Cindy: Yeah.

Markus: that's Wikipedia. Right.

Cindy: Well, actually based upon the

Cindy: the

Cindy: invoices and the communication that Brian sent after the last meeting. The way I interpreted it was that

Cindy: there was that

Cindy: Wikibase had a membership, and the Council of States had a membership. They both had gold memberships. They were actually 4 payments of 2,500,

Markus: Umhm.

Cindy: so we never really resolved. You know

Cindy: the details of that. So I think that for one year the Council of State had a gold membership.

Cindy: and that for 3 years

Cindy: Wikibase solutions hadn't gold membership, but were refunding them the money for one of those years, and we'll refund them if

Cindy: if they get charged again in January or February. So II think.

Mark: yeah, II think you're right, Cindy. I meant, you know, we talked afterwards. And I mentioned I was gonna go back and write up some stuff.

Mark: but I do think we need to clarify all of that, because that was not exactly my understanding of the whole thing.

Mark: I can see what you're saying about. You know as white white.

Mark: I'm sorry. Give me a second it was not my understanding.

Mark: My understanding was

Mark: Wiki. Eric, Eric! John thought he was

Mark: being charged every

Mark: for this other

Mark: organization.

Mark: and that's why he wanted the subscription stopped but you know, and II thought I thought he was saying that he was fine with Wiki Base still being a member. But you know II don't know.

Mark: Cause we definitely and since we definitely have different understandings of that, what

Mark: with all agreed A, it might be good to. I guess. Ride it up. And

Cindy: yeah, I still think that there's a lack of understanding there of exactly where we are and where we want to be

Mark: right? And and yeah, that that we should definitely write that down and come to an agreement. But that being that, that's a whole nother thing here, I wanna focus on the

Mark: but agree on revised membership terms.

Mark: what

Mark: II think it's easiest. If we leave it. I'll

Mark: you know the way it is, and change the fives to 1 5, Sid Hughes, and the 10 s. To

Mark: tens to 5

Mark: and that's and strike the at and at MW, so that's

Mark: you know, 2 changes there is, that is, is there any other changes that people want to make? Can I? Can I share my screen.

Mark: sir? I'll stop that way. I can see you

Cindy: if well, actually cannot share my screen, or there we go, share screen.

Mark: I would stop if it would let me. Now we don't know if it's gonna let me

Cindy: one.

Cindy: This one.

Cindy: Oh.

Cindy: wow!

Markus: I see we was.

Markus: We would still keep the the number of reduced of discounted tickets for the conferences. Is that true?

Cindy: Can you see you can see that now?

Markus: What I have? No.

Cindy: are you not seeing me? Let me.

Mark: Rejoin, I'll be back.

Cindy: It's just not working right now. We see Mark's screen. Oh, still, really.

Cindy: that's weird. Oh, it says your screen is loading.

Cindy: I would guess that Mark would need to stop sharing, maybe, but I'm trying to, but I can't. I thought I stopped him from sharing.

Cindy: Wait! Hold on! Let me hit, stop, share, and see what happens.

Cindy: Mark Hersburger has started screen sharing double click. Okay?

Cindy: Oh, look, I'm gonna change it so that multiple participants can share simultaneously.

Cindy: What does that do?

Cindy: Okay, can you see that now?

Markus: No.

Cindy: no.

Cindy: if you look at the participants, do you see me?

Bryan: Oh, now goes. Now we can see it.

Cindy: Okay, cool. alright. So on the top is the old membership schedule.

Cindy: and at the bottom is the new one.

Bernhard: Hmm.

Cindy: so the cost 100,000 501,000 3,000

Cindy: vote wait at meetings, and the number of discounted tickets at MW. State Conferences is 1, 1, 2, 5

Cindy: logo displayed on Mwfi mwsta.org, for all of the corporate members, and logo displayed at MW. State conferences for gold

Markus: sounds good for me.

Cindy: and then I just have little things saying it's like in the past. We made people join with an individual membership and membership, but I don't think we were really enforcing that, anyways. And it's just confusing. So

Bryan: and then the the corporate, maybe you guys already talked about it. But it changed from 2,500 to 3,000. Okay.

Markus: for clarification. If the corporate does not have an individual assigned membership, I think we did that because we need a person like. For if, if, like corporate price, corporate has votes right? So who does vote? And we need to? Currently, we thought that the individual that is associated with the corporate

Markus: is the one present voting if we don't require this, we need some

Markus: nominee. From the corporation, right?

Cindy: Yeah. I guess we would want them to say who the voters are?

Markus: Yeah, so I would.

Markus: And actually, oh, that's an interesting thing are you talking about

Markus: if if we have 5 votes. Is that 5 people who can vote differently? Or is it one person, and whose vote counts 5 times? Because that's a difference.

Mark: And I think we were saying basically the it was one person who has a waited vote. But I think I think right now the way the code is written. They do have to have individual membership. I think.

Markus: Umhm.

Cindy: the way the code is written. what cause

Mark: the code for signing up?

Cindy: Oh, like, okay.

Cindy: So there would be one individual member.

Mark: right?

Cindy: And they're

Cindy: and

Cindy: so if they had a corporate gold membership, their vote would actually have of weight of 6

Mark: like.

Mark: yes, that's interesting.

Mark: The the things you, the things you think about, since we have never actually held a vote. Vote.

Cindy: Right? Exactly.

Cindy: I'm fine. I'm fine with getting rid of the caveat and saying that they need to have an individual membership. Plus why, why do they? I mean, did you just have to nominate a person, and the person can show up at a meeting, or can you know.

Bernhard: in written give us the the votes, and then it's done, and if if the person happens to be individual member, it's fine, but if not, then not, I don't get why we have to

Bernhard: have an individual member.

Mark: Well, right now, it's because of the way the code is written.

Markus: cold as law.

Mark: Yes, cut that. I was thinking that myself. Code is law.

Markus: Is it hard to change this. Yeah, probably.

Bryan: Well, I mean, there's 2 things about it. One, you know. It doesn't need to be change that way. But there's a cost probably to change it.

Bernhard: Yeah, yeah. But then, but then, yeah, in the table, it it should say from the bronze membership on that

Bernhard: one individual membership is included.

Mark: Maybe we can do it like this at the bottom, really. But

Bernhard: no, I would actually say, an individual membership is $100. Okay, that's fine. If you're a private person. If you have the Browser membership, you'll pay 501 individual is included.

Cindy: But that's gonna change.

Cindy: But yes.

Mark: yeah.

Mark: okay.

Bernhard: And with with silver. We could also say, 2 are coated and with gold panel 3 individual memberships.

Cindy: I think it's getting complicated, like

Bernhard: if you say that each each.

Bernhard: each vote has to be need for an individual member, and you have to have as many members as you have votes, or is that not the case.

Mark: No, we're just need one. I,

Mark: yeah.

Mark: not individual.

Bernhard: Okay. So then we we we can. We could just say that

Bernhard: for the corporate memberships, one individual is included.

Mark: So I

Mark: hmm

Markus: by the way, one question like, if the process can we, as a board change to buy it? Or also do we need buy in from the General Assembly here?

Cindy: Is this a change in the laptop?

Cindy: I thought we were looking at it last time we saw that it's like

Cindy: The bylaws say that we have to have a membership structure, but not that it's actually defined in the bylaws, but I could be wrong.

Markus: but that's good. If it's not part of the bylaws, that means how long it's super. We can change it as a border.

Cindy: Yeah, but don't. Don't quote me on that. I'm not 100% sure. That's just was my understanding of the license.

Bryan: I don't quote you. But you, Hendrick modding

Cindy: shoot.

Bernhard: And wha why did we change goal to 3,000? Because it's now

Bernhard: kind of odd.

Bernhard: because if I buy a bronze

Bernhard: membership I get one vote.

Bernhard: So then, for gold, I have to get 6,

Bernhard: or I get you also get for gold. You also get your logo displayed at conferences. Yes, that's true, but that's just an additional benefit to make people go to gold.

Bernhard: So II would I would do 2,500. That's because that's the price it was before.

Bernhard: And this is just an additional benefit, so that we get more call members.

Bernhard: because otherwise it's kinda I think the the voting wage should should be linear.

Mark: Well, the vote, the voting rate is linear, but the the anyway

Mark: I linear according to price, I see what you're saying.

Mark: you know, that was your son.

Mark: if I'm the only person who's really

Mark: thinks that. So you know, that's fine.

Mark: is, does everyone else more comfortable with 2,500 keeping it that way. Based upon what? Bernard said.

Cindy: yeah, yeah, I'm fine. II don't really care

Mark: 20 there, change it back. We're that was easy.

Mark: I think I think once we have okay.

Cindy: So it's necessary to purchase an individual membership in addition to a corporate membership.

Bernhard: No, III would actually draw another line to make it look more what you get

Bernhard: and and and say individual memberships included, and then in bronze, I would say one.

Bernhard: I would say 200. I don't know 3,

Bernhard: not more than 3 people of her company will be members, but

Bernhard: or something like that, or or at least that in every

Bernhard: company membership there is one individual included that is, the person who will be heftawing rights of something like that

Cindy: with, including the individual membership, except for the fact that Mark says that the code change that's gonna cost us money.

Bernhard: Okay, so we we have to keep that it it that way that we have to find individual first, and then you can upgrade it to Company one.

Mark: Yeah. I think I think for this vote. I think we should leave that the way it is. And if we want to change that, if we're all agreed on changing that, then we need. That's a you know, that's

Mark: that's another. That's more than just voting, basically

Mark: is what I'm so I mean, it's something we could do. But I think that right? Now, I wanna focus on the keeping. The changes is

Mark: more as part.

Cindy: Okay.

Mark: are simple is possible, not minimal simple

Mark: as simple as possible.

Mark: So and actually, this is, this is right. At time I have to go.

Mark: so hey? But before we before we close.

Mark: can we vote on this and say we've agreed on the revised terms.

Mark: Is everyone agreed with that? I mean, this is a good place to vote.

Cindy: I just added one sentence, that individual will vote for themselves as well as their organization.

Mark: Yes, that that makes sense. Okay, cool.

Mark: lex I, you're you're okay. II

Bernhard: does this mean, if I get a bronze? Do I have them 2 ways or one.

Cindy: your individual, one plus your corporate one. Okay.

Mark: yeah. And and we can clarify that as well, so okay, II do have to go. But

Mark: II I'm glad we got this one item checked off the thing since we're taking or

Cindy: who's gonna who's gonna update the site with this?

Cindy: I can do it if you wanna just can you just email me that or the link to that. Can I just share this doc with you at the Google, Doc with you?

Cindy: Sure.

Mark: Okay, alright. So the only other thing we have to talk about is the next meeting. Next meeting is next week, I believe, so we can go through. Let's try to get these things knocked

Mark: this this month. and it looks like it's taking us half an hour to do one. So

Bernhard: yeah.

Bernhard: Brian, do you do you have a minute? Or the others, Smwcom?

Bernhard: Bye, because I have a question regarding smw com. I mean, I don't really have a budget yet, but there's one sponsor. Rtxl.

Bernhard: so the question is now.

Bernhard: should and MW. Stake issue. A bill for rgxl! 4,000

Bernhard: dollars, probably.

Bernhard: and they would pay pay dollars. But I have to. I mean we have to cover expenses, and we don't have the credit part of Mws. Take groups, so I will probably do that.

Bernhard: Have to do that by myself, and then get refunded? Or wouldn't it be the better opportunity.

Bernhard: maybe, that I build Archie excel in Euros. and we then. you know, have this all sorted out, and any excess amount of that I will transfer to MW. State, or something like that.

Bernhard: because otherwise we have this 0 and dollar problem. You know European company paying to MW. Stake.

Bernhard: But I need to pay in euros for the food or whatever.

Bernhard: And

Bernhard: so this is, yeah. This is the main question, I think, last year, the way it was done Eric Yan had, I think, access to the credit card or so, so

Bernhard: I don't know exactly how they did it. But

Bryan: yeah, we yeah.

Bryan: he had access to a credit card, and we can try to do that again. I mean.

Bryan: it's probably it might be too late to try to get you know, credit card issued to you. But we could me and you could work together

Bryan: where I can just give you the credit card details to put in.

Bryan: My, you know my credit card details to put in

Bryan: but, as far as you know you handling it, if you if you wanna handle something where you take, you know, monies and euros. and then, you know, come up with a spreadsheet, and then just say, Okay, you know, MW. State needs to do this or that, and then, you know, this money goes from.

Bryan: you know, account that you have 2 Mws taking the end, or whatever I mean. That seems reasonable to me.

Bernhard: because that that would probably make it easier if if I just issue a bill

Bernhard: from from me personally to rgxl. And then.

Bernhard: you know, if I have, if I have something to pay, are we paid? And then

Bernhard: the profit for the profit you will. Mtv. Will issue me a bill that I don't pay.

Bernhard: so I think this is easier than you know to

Bernhard: doing it the other way around.

Bryan: I don't have a problem with it, Marcus or Lex. Do you have any concerns or thoughts?

Markus: Makes it easier? I

Markus: I mean, the the thing is, how would you charge them? You do the daily us dollar to euro rate and then charge them based on that day. Great.

Markus: I mean, as long as it's transparent. I think it's it's good.

Bryan: Yeah. So I was saying about a spreadsheet. I mean, I think ideally, we have some transparency, but otherwise I'm fine with it.

Bernhard: Okay.

Markus: alright. So I also have to leave. I hope to get more sponsors. By the way, Marcus.

Markus: I know. Yeah, we it's on Richie's table. He's our sponsorship person. II know he's aware he's aware of your request, and whatever

Markus: he does there?

Bernhard: Okay? Alright, bye, you people bye.