Discuss Board Meeting
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Mark: Who is on your on your group in your group Eric john who's in your group that was putting together this presentation.
Eric-Jan: In my group.
Eric-Jan: Well that's Brian. Of course, this Marcus.
Eric-Jan: So we are a group of three, I would say.
Mark: Okay, yeah. Marcus said he couldn't make it today. So
Mark: Um, yeah, so if if you and Brian can go ahead
Lex: And talk about what you have and then I believe
I believe, Cindy. And if he didn't I have something to present. And then is there anything that you have
Um, let's
Lex: Know, okay.
Mark: We'll give you will give you will make sure you have a chore. This next
Lex: One. Hey,
Lex: We're something to do. Okay.
Eric-Jan: Yeah.
Eric-Jan: So, so
Eric-Jan: How much time would we have Hi, Cindy. Mark, how much time would we have
Eric-Jan: 15 minutes FINE. ARE YOU NEED yeah that's fine because we need some time to discuss Alexis proposal right Lexus a suggestion. So we do the five to 10 minutes, I would say, how do we split this up, Brian.
Bryan: If you want to go over the slide deck part I can talk about the
Bryan: The interview stage version where we can contribute
Eric-Jan: Yeah, right. It could you take our slide five the site at that market.
Eric-Jan: Because contribution for
Eric-Jan: Yep. Alright.
Eric-Jan: So I sent you all
Eric-Jan: Mill few days ago.
Eric-Jan: With the deck presentation that Brian Marcus and I did did in two times in two meetings.
Eric-Jan: As a starting point. We used three sources and we had a mill that I made, let's say, two weeks ago we had Brian's reaction that reflected on my meal, and we had a nice source from market from, let's say,
Eric-Jan: Em W con or an S and W calm or have about two years ago were also he had some nice facts. That's a nice statements they could use for that the deck. So we have three sources to to prepare a deck.
Eric-Jan: And
Eric-Jan: I sent you all with the draft deck. Also, the
Eric-Jan: Funding Plan to see how the deck relates to the total plan where it fits in. And what we what our objectives are with the deck.
Eric-Jan: So we came up with this, let's say, a slider or
Eric-Jan: Let's see.
Eric-Jan: Have your
Eric-Jan: Either the
Eric-Jan: Media wiki page or the PowerPoint presentation in front of you.
Eric-Jan: All right, good.
Eric-Jan: So what's important is that it has a nice layout has a good content and also a nice tagline nice payoff. And we did some thinking what we thought of. You can also see
Eric-Jan: In the, in the sales deck slide but we came up with your wiki our passion and we will discuss that later with Lex how he feels about this.
Eric-Jan: Well, then you have a section. A typical section that belongs to the deck is called our mission, which I just copied from some other
Eric-Jan: Page probably immediate wiki steak page. So then we have Slide three where I got where I got some data statistics and not numbers and stuff from the, from the Wikimedia Foundation annual report.
Eric-Jan: That's, that's about
Eric-Jan: The
Eric-Jan: Ecosystem and structure.
Eric-Jan: So that we go on.
Eric-Jan: If you
Eric-Jan: About it's about activity. So what do we do what may what may the audience will be potential members will may people expect from us.
Eric-Jan: A copy that also from some somewhere else.
Eric-Jan: And then I would like to ask Brian to elaborate on slide number five relevancy on these terrific and impressive numbers, Brian.
Bryan: Now, so, um, the goal is to have, you know, some kind of powerful statement about how used me with you was it's a bit difficult.
Bryan: Obviously because we're targeting a lot of enterprise use which is typically kind of behind firewalls and private companies.
Bryan: But markets had given a presentation. A few years ago, and kind of refresh the numbers a little bit on the wiki page, it's a little bit easier. I don't know if it still shares the screen and I do this.
Bryan: But we have a you guys see my
Bryan: My
Bryan: Website screen now versus the PowerPoint.
Bryan: Yeah, okay. Um, yeah. So on the unlimited music. I'll talk about it at the end.
Bryan: There's a wink, where we can collaborate. If we want to change and make suggestions and then kind of track those suggestions, but anyway.
Bryan: Some of those numbers show up here and there. Citations with the references about where those numbers came from. And, you know, having some defense to it.
Bryan: As well. But yeah, Marcus went ahead and put this together and it does show some pretty impressive numbers for, you know, media wiki usage based off of a couple different ways to pull pull data.
Bryan: That was it. JOHN
Eric-Jan: All right. Thanks, Brian. Yeah, so
Eric-Jan: It just seemed like let's say eight or eight or nine numbers but marks did a really great job in in
Eric-Jan: In this analysis. So I think this, this looks great as a typical requirement for a good deck.
Eric-Jan: So, then we go on with
Eric-Jan: Slide number six about work. Work topics so
Eric-Jan: What's on the current technical agenda.
Eric-Jan: closing down to bullet point list with your possible project your project would be interesting.
Eric-Jan: Then
Eric-Jan: Marcus.
Eric-Jan: Added to slide.
Eric-Jan: Number seven benefits and incentives. So why to join our user group as a member with a membership.
Eric-Jan: Some arguments why to do it why to join and on the final slide.
Eric-Jan: About the membership.
Eric-Jan: With a image of the of the current Jewish schedule.
Eric-Jan: And what is in it as it benefits and how members support us to reach our mission and goals.
Eric-Jan: So it's quite some text right, you, you, you could motivate and discuss about adding images.
Eric-Jan: You would well find decks with with more images than we have.
Eric-Jan: So,
Eric-Jan: That would be okay if the image would would communicate what what we what's on the slide. We could add it on the other hand, this is
Eric-Jan: quite informative. It is factual so it's it's it's nice and simple to read and it has all the requirements that a typical deck this typical deck should should have
Eric-Jan: And this is what we as a group have come up with
Eric-Jan: And what we would like to discuss with you.
Bryan: And one comment about the images. So this is almost wholly Eric jaan that is created this in person is for
Bryan: Know, Mark Marcus did the data I am planning on having to Representative kind of images but but unfortunately wasn't able to get, get it done. But just as a quick note all for this slide deck is to assist
Bryan: Us and
Bryan: Reaching out to candidates that we think would be sponsors and presenting, kind of, you know, over the web, but kind of in person is instead of just, you know, just sending this out via email so there's going to be some notes.
Bryan: Within the slide for talking points to expand on but it isn't intended, just to drop an email and send out
Eric-Jan: Actually absolutely right, Brian. This is exactly how we are not or how we are going to use it.
Eric-Jan: Yet that's, I would say that's about it.
Eric-Jan: And you were a little bit took to your accomplishments were a little bit too big for me but
Eric-Jan: I think we did it with the three of us. So let's discuss it as a mutual effort. Is that a good moment mark to, uh, to go to Lexis suggestion.
Mark: Yes, let's do that.
Eric-Jan: So,
Eric-Jan: Let's Could you share yours. Could you share your screen. Do you have your
Lex: Nano. Yeah, much easier if
Eric-Jan: Someone someone does
Yeah.
Eric-Jan: So,
Eric-Jan: What we where we do quite some time is. So what are the requirements for a for a good payoff for a good tagline in our for our
Eric-Jan: User Group. Right. So the basic question is what do we want to communicate here. So we have the audience, on the one hand side with our expectations and and, on the other hand, we have let's say our mission or what we do.
Eric-Jan: And the question acute a question could be
Eric-Jan: What whether
Eric-Jan: Our support. So whether you're we our support, whether that
Eric-Jan: Whether that supports our
Eric-Jan: Our mission and whether that is exactly what we what we try or what we would like to do
Eric-Jan: And I'm a little bit hesitant on this point.
Eric-Jan: If that is exactly what we
Eric-Jan: Intend to do what our goal is to well to deliver support have to be supportive or or
Eric-Jan: So I'm a little bit hesitant there, but I'm sure that Lex can explain
Eric-Jan: Why he used the word support instead of passion or something else.
Eric-Jan: Could you tell tell tell us a little bit more about that next.
Lex: Yeah, I mean, you were mentioning, look, if we compare it to Wikimedia Wikipedia Wikimedia they have a valid ideological
Lex: Path that people can connect to. So you could really argue that, you know, this is like a donation to Wikipedia, because you want to improve how people learn everyone should be able to share and so on.
Lex: I'm not sure whether we can build on that there for me there is no nothing ideological of the stakeholders group, unless you're extremely involved with
Lex: Everything saying, you know, this is this big cruiser of a software like Wikipedia media weekend so on and we are
Lex: Private independent users wanting to tap into this huge potential and it should be ideological that something so great should be made available to to people. Now if I think of my clients.
Lex: They use media wiki, just because it solves their daily problems accountability of information sharing information collaboration. If I tell them over lunch, how this whole thing is entangled with Wikipedia.
Lex: You know,
Lex: Honestly, there's not a lot of wow, we are part of a movement. So that's why I you know your knowledge, our passion would make sense in a global or for me. I'm just talking from my perspective, right.
Lex: But I, for my clients, I have to put it a lot more practical.
Lex: And practical me
Lex: solving their problems. That's why. So when I read
Lex: Your wiki our passion.
Lex: I have to mentally go through loops to derive the fact that we are so passionate that we will do a good job supporting them but you know people save on brain loops, naturally, and that's why I was thinking, you know, be more concrete about
Eric-Jan: The practical, right. That's my
Lex: That's my reasoning behind it.
Eric-Jan: Mark, would you allow me to react on this.
Sure.
Eric-Jan: Right, so if I would try to summarize this lesson, break it down, right, so where I missed where where I missed it in my, in my assumptions is that you are
Eric-Jan: Relating this to your clients who have who were where you deliver your weekend. Right. So the question is,
Eric-Jan: Do your clients represent the full potential. We have full for all Members, we, we would like to. We would like to cook contacts that will be a question. And the second is,
Eric-Jan: Whether all these potential members would have
Eric-Jan: The, the perception that that that we are delivering support.
Eric-Jan: That is where I am a little bit hesitant.
Eric-Jan: And but I could stand for the the passion or for my small role in the board or in the community where I do this with passion, I, I tend to say that it that it will go for a lot of community members so
Eric-Jan: The principal question that is, I would say, Do we do is our mission to deliver support.
Eric-Jan: If it's not
Eric-Jan: Then the question is should it be in a tagline.
Lex: I have another question. If I want to support the media wiki and wiki, wiki pedia calls
Lex: Yes. Why would I donate to media wiki stakeholder rather than to wiki media directly
Eric-Jan: Well, that is, does of course in the that this in the in this in the deck itself. The, the motivation why to do this.
Eric-Jan: So you're, you're definitely not contributing to the Wikimedia Foundation, you are contributing to a user group to a platform to community that that
Eric-Jan: Relates to your wiki to your software to your, to your way of working in your in your in your environment.
Lex: Yeah.
Eric-Jan: So I could agree so if if I if I if you about your passion, I
Eric-Jan: I understand what you mean with the loop. You have to make. So this is you. We could argue on that. Right. How difficult is the loop made
Eric-Jan: Are we able to
Eric-Jan: Are we able to think as a
Eric-Jan: As a general as the audience or general potential member would think, do we know, but what is the profile of this average potential member or very difficult questions, but I would say
Eric-Jan: That passion is is not for me. It's not a difficult loop to make it for me is not difficult loop to make
Eric-Jan: And moreover, there are quite some tech lines with passion in it even
Mark: Right and
Eric-Jan: I'm not totally exclusive with the word passion right it is derived from other tech lines and some creativity from my, perhaps, but the word passion is more often used.
Lex: Now at that one of one more remark, and then I'll shut up on this. It's also when I just read media wiki stakeholders group your wiki our passion. I'm not really understanding why you address me. Why is, why should I, you know, what are you actually doing.
Lex: And the support would convey. And it's a faint idea of all okay they they sort of help like minded people that that's the second thought I had
Eric-Jan: Well, I'm curious how our Chairman is going to wrap this up. Or maybe we
Mark: So,
Eric-Jan: Because we're the thing we are trying to reach is the best tagline rights, we are trying to find the most effective tagline.
Mark: So I'm. Can you all hear me.
Yep.
Mark: Okay, I'm just was unclear. Um, so
Mark: I think I'm you know to me thinking. I hear what you're saying likes about support. And I'm like, but in that is very concrete, but at the same time I do and I have seen passion used a lot
Mark: And it does, it does imply a more emotional connection than
Mark: That then just the word support. Um, but it also implies a little, a little bit more close connection. A an immediacy that support does not I'm, I'm wondering if if Brian or James or or
Mark: Cindy if y'all have any thoughts about this passion versus support.
Mark: Because that to me that that's really all just comes down to, right.
Bryan: And let me just make one one note. So I'll talk about at the end. But there is a spot where I guess priority on this idea is called the tagline is called a payoff.
Bryan: So we have a couple of them. In the end, we can kind of maybe vote on them. But one other. And again, all talk about this at the, at the end of it, but
Bryan: Let's it already added some other things that go along with it as well. And I think it might be kind of powerful to have
Bryan: You know, some of these are reasons why you use me wiki, or you might want to help support the stakeholders group. So adding kind of uses either like as a pop up slide and animation that goes on this first slide or integrated somehow, I think, doesn't make sense. So that's my input.
Mark: Right. And I, I, I wasn't even thinking about an animation, but that sounds, you know, that's to me that makes it more interesting as a first slide in a presentation. If you have, whether it is support or passion, if you have these things popping up and
Mark: Then yeah, it makes it a little bit more clear what's going on. I agree. I'm so yeah i'm not sure the popping up or would be distracting or if it should just be static. But anyway, that's beside the point. I like I like what you're saying and I did like that Lex included though.
Mark: I'm Cindy or or
Mark: James every thought
Mark: Should I give a dictate. Go ahead.
James: So yeah, I mean, for me, like, I'd really like to bring this to management with the perspective of like
James: You know that this group is trying to get off the ground, it
James: You know, there's a lot of focus with this product that we already use on Wikipedia, which is not really our specific focus, trying to get this product offer that get this group off the ground that focuses more on our particular
James: Use case and you know we've got a chicken and egg problem where in order to get started we need money. But it's hard to get money without showing some results first
James: And I don't know if these are all the words we use but
James: And
James: You know, in order to get started you you have the opportunity here to give us some lump sum and get you know
James: Kind of solidified as a founding sponsor forever for you know what ultimately to some big company doesn't matter at all. That would be a huge chunk of change to us.
James: And kind of say to them, you know, like, look, this, this is, this is something is trying to get off the ground. It's a risk that you end up donating to this thing and ends up going nowhere. But again, you know,
James: I don't know how much we're looking for but 10 grand isn't much to a big company like they can donate 10 grand or something and say, well, you know, it goes nowhere that goes nowhere but if not you know we at least. We donated some nonprofit.
James: But if it goes somewhere. Then they have, like, you know,
James: Either
James: Advertising forever or advertising for a decade or whatever we decide to say that the founding member gets some special benefit.
James: Like my management and my management management and you know off the chain. Yeah. And they know they don't care about any kind of movement, which, you know,
James: It just. All right.
Mark: Yeah, and at the same time does move does passion versus support implying movement.
Mark: James
James: Hello. Yeah, I mean,
James: Yeah, I don't know. Yes, it does. I guess. But I mean, even just like the support thing like
James: I really feel like the the way to go after this is to be like you have, I mean, maybe not so much for if you're talking to.
James: You know, IBM, or Google or something like that. But, you know, everybody already knows those names, but for for my particular case where I don't do any of you know KBR is
Mark: Yes.
Bryan: Come on, Brandon route.
James: Yeah. Anybody else
James: Yeah.
Mark: Most people don't move for
James: Most people don't know. Okay. Dr. Woods, a big company. And I'm like, again, like they could donate a large amount of money and wouldn't be anything to them.
James: So like for them having their name stuck. Potentially next to Google or something like that, if we get them to donate at some point that that's a big win for them. Just having their name next to it just for name recognition.
James: So it, you know, adding on to that like
James: We get some KBR get some prime support capability. Yeah, we're gonna really focus on them because hey, they were founding founding sponsor and they're having some issues.
James: Yeah, I feel like that that needs to be the focus
Bryan: So what it possibly like you know the tagline or the payoff. You know, we can argue about and come up with something
Bryan: But one thing I do like is, you know, returning this is lexical tags here and and is there somehow we could hook that in. So that would be one of the things that might perk up someone at KBR a larger company, you know, like
Bryan: Wrapping up your argument. James in the some like little something here, this little blurb about, you know, getting recognized as a as a founding sponsor.
Bryan: But anyway, having, having something that you know a lot of people would react to. So, you know, we try to take as many people that we'd be targeting with one of these little pitches on on the side. And as we start the presentation and the pitch for sponsorship.
Mark: Um, so at this point. Well, we're about halfway through what it Cindy, did you, does your boon to the tour.
Mark: I don't hear you.
Mark: I don't hear you.
Mark: I would assume it's not working. I'm at this point what decisions, what what do What decisions do we need to make right here, right now. Um,
Mark: As far as this slide deck because
Mark: What I see is you know this, what what all we've talked about, really, I guess we all agree on the slide deck, and this is a useful thing and we should move forward with it. The only issue that I see any discussion on is that is that first page in the support versus passion.
Mark: Or and and those little bubble is there. Go ahead.
Lex: I have one more question. When I read on the main page it says the group was recognized by the official affiliations community on November 11 2014
Lex: I mean that's six years ago. And when I listened to you now, it's sort of, I just have the impression that it's conveyed as an as an experiment.
Lex: As something that can easily fail and it's like you're you're playing the lottery if if we if we succeed. You're part of the of the initiating group and so on. But don't we want to convey a lot more self confidence and say this is not an experiment that we represent.
Lex: 10,000 companies around the world.
Lex: Using this software and they want to coordinate their, you know, satisfaction of needs and support Ben Swann and sort of in an informal
Lex: Order by them or after figuring that out. We took the decision to beef up the entire thing by by, sort of, yeah, making it institutionalize it a little bit more, but I would be a little careful by saying, you know, this is an experiment, and then they read here.
Eric-Jan: Yeah, but do you reset it.
Lex: Up in 2014
Eric-Jan: Where's the experiment legs.
Lex: No, I mean that that was my. That was my name. I'm sorry. My Word that
Mark: That that was
Mark: That was James was saying. Go ahead.
Cindy: Hear me now. Yeah.
Cindy: Yeah, so there
Cindy: You're there I gosh I was trying to say things like
Eric-Jan: 30 things
Lex: We didn't hear you.
Cindy: I have so many thoughts.
Okay.
Eric-Jan: You're 30 PM.
Yeah.
Cindy: Alright, so I'll jump back a little bit. The support versus passion thing or
Cindy: Possibly something else. Well, actually, let me say I love the ideas of those questions around the outside because that really gives context to the kinds of things that somebody might be interested in being involved for what what value they can get from this
Cindy: But some it's difficult to summarize that all in a tagline. Right. So when I my initial reaction when I see your wiki our support.
Cindy: It's that we're a for profit consulting organization that will come in and give you
Cindy: You know per contract some support for your wiki either installing it or, you know, helping you design the structure
Cindy: That's really where a user community, a group user group support. Yes, but the in just the tagline there that comes off as being more of a commercial thing what the kind of support that we're offering is more the support that a community brings and yes there's passion there.
Cindy: But that having people who have a common concern coming together and having
Cindy: You know the power of, of you know this. What is it, the sum is greater than the parts.
Cindy: You know, and economies of scale. So
Cindy: I so support doesn't sound quite right to me because it sounds commercial
Cindy: Passion, I agree, somewhat with Lex that that
Cindy: It sounds like we're all just going to get together and be excited and hold hands and Kumbaya and it's a little bit more than that. Right, we are providing something. Um, I just sort of trying out some other ideas you know your wiki our community.
Lex: You know, but that's also I thought about that as well.
Cindy: Right, yeah.
Cindy: So,
Eric-Jan: I would love to have and Cindy with you.
Cindy: That's good. Yeah, absolutely. But, but I think we're doing a little bit more. And so we are to some sense. I don't know we're, you know, we're not going to be supporting individual people's wickets but what we are going to be doing is, you know, figuring out what the
Cindy: You know, the interest of the crowd, whatever, and creating extensions are maintaining extensions are extending extensions
Cindy: In and or not just extensions, but you know installation support, you know, infrastructure, things that will benefit everybody not
Cindy: A particular individual, right, or a picture killer company, it's, it's more than the things that we're going to be targeting are to help all. So, you know, again, I don't know that your wiki our community. I'm not completely, you know,
Cindy: Sold on that but
Cindy: But something sort of in between that indicates that we will indeed be doing actual work good things that will, you know, put advanced people's interest, but it's not for the individual companies. It's for the for the whole
Mark: So at this point I i think the the the
Mark: bubbles around here help
Mark: Clarify whatever the tagline. Yes, I agree.
Mark: That this support thing.
Mark: Sounds a little too commercially um and passion is perhaps too nebulous. But, uh, you know, I think community makes a nice mid, mid point. Um, is there anything else that we need to discuss because we only have 25 minutes left.
Mark: If not, then Cindy and I, oh well.
Mark: First of all, so it needs to be done here.
James: So Mark, or I guess so. Cindy, I think summarizing your point, like if we're talking to somebody that is in charge of
James: PR has the ability from a large company to donate a large amount of money that is our focus right now is that Word document.
Eric-Jan: Well, we're not only focusing on large corporate we're focusing on multiple level multiple, multiple membership donations. So for varying from $100 to $10,000 so and everything in between. Okay.
James: I mean it's, I think that like we have to approach those problems completely differently because you're talking about talking to an individual versus talking to a corporation.
James: And I thought, from our last one of our last meetings that that we were saying we needed to get some kind of first large donation, get some founding sponsor kind of thing.
Excellent.
James: So, I mean, I think a lot of this stuff makes a lot of sense for for the individual, but if we're looking at at just a company like
James: What I already said about the advertising thing. I'm not gonna repeat that. But just reiterating what what Cindy just said, I think the point of it is, is like
James: You as a corporation. They will like right now media wiki for for the
James: Third party non Wikipedia is kind of aimless right like we all just kind of make stuff to solve our current problems and there's no real direction.
James: And the point of this group is to provide some direction and the benefit of being a founding sponsor is you get to align that direction with what you want.
Mark: Um, so
Eric-Jan: For the big one.
Eric-Jan: The big one, you know,
Mark: I think Eric john and James and Lex a. Could you all get together and because you're the one to
Mark: Voice, the most
Mark: Coherent
Mark: Thoughts on this that I can see, you know, as far as
Mark: You know what
Mark: Would it be possible to get together and come back in two weeks and say, you know, let's let's figure out how we're going to address this you we need to have a different strategy for the large companies and we have for the individuals and that sort of thing.
Eric-Jan: Well,
Eric-Jan: The, the large companies would require our personal contact anyway and the the deck the deck would still be effective, I would say so.
Eric-Jan: I wouldn't let us slow down by this I I even don't, don't. For me, it's not necessary to talk a lot about the tech to dwell on about the tagline if we agree on the attributes of a tagline.
Eric-Jan: Feel free to pick one. I want to move on with us. Funny finding sponsors with us finding members and not arguing on on on a tagline I
Eric-Jan: If we agree on the edge attribute attributes that I would also agree on what on the outcome of it.
Mark: Okay.
Eric-Jan: Is that an answer to you, Mark.
Lex: It.
Mark: It's an answer saying, I don't want to waste time I heard that. Yeah.
Eric-Jan: I don't want to waste time
Eric-Jan: I want to waste time on the, on the, on the attributes. So we have yet to read what I always say if we agree on the principles, you cannot disagree on the outcome.
Right.
Mark: So,
James: So the other question then is, like, if, if I, you know, climb up my management chain and convince whoever is needed to be convinced.
James: To, you know, give us $50,000
James: What do I do
James: So they say
Eric-Jan: $1,000 like yeah well you get a tailor made
Eric-Jan: You get a tailor made package. Right. So if, if, if you would find this one. Yeah, there will be extremely welcome and
Eric-Jan: So that will be a principle. So that would be lets say a diamond a diamond member, not even a platinum. Plus, but a diamond member with a personal package.
James: Okay.
Eric-Jan: Don't be afraid to come up with anything.
James: Don't get stuck on the dollar value of point is just that it's something that yes it's enough. Right. So $5,000 whatever, like, my point is, like I can probably without any deck just, you know,
James: Verbally chat with people and
James: Sure, and potentially convince people that this is a good idea.
James: Right, but
James: Then they say, great, where do I sign
Eric-Jan: Right, yeah. So the next
James: One is like
James: Legally, how do we how do we make the next step for that.
Eric-Jan: Yeah, that's that's in the in the funding plan the contracting and everything that goes with it and
Eric-Jan: But the deck. The deck is a means, right, this is not is not enough isn't. It's not a goal. It's at itself. So if you don't need a deck to to
Eric-Jan: To get a member of board, they will be excellent.
Eric-Jan: So the next step, the next action point could be mark that we come up with a that someone prepares draft contract going together.
Eric-Jan: Together with it with it with it with the with the deck.
Bryan: So one quick thing area or James, are you kind of inferring that we should have a very visible spot on the website. Number one, to just become a member number two to select from instead of just a normal member corporate membership and different levels.
Bryan: And then it's clear on there that like, you know, if you're doing platinum or something.
Bryan: You know, you'd be recognized and you can have your name there or or or so there's just a process in place. Is that, is that what you're getting at.
James: Yeah, I mean,
James: I would really like to be able to bring this concept forward to
James: My management, specifically, but also various. I mean, again, you know, NASA is comprised of like a million contractors. Right, so like people I sit next to work for different contractors, so
James: We have the potential to go to multiple companies at once all from within the same organization like I want to figure out how we do that. And so coming up with a pitch for it is one thing, but
James: Again, like it makes more sense to tailor the pitch to the specific organization to make me get out of it.
James: The real, the real need is like, okay, we've convinced you now what right like what is this what is the structure in place to be able to take that donation and do something with it.
Mark: Yeah. So right now we you know we we
Mark: It is not easy to take a any any accepting money and say, you know what you get for it. It is not easy to do that right now. And that is something we need to address. And the first part of that we're just going to be
Mark: Getting the credit card processing put on the site and that is in progress, there has been no movement on that yet, but except that we do have the credit card processing agreement, we just don't have the software in place, um,
Mark: So that part.
Mark: I think that once
Mark: What I'm hearing from you all, is that we really need that part. Now, is that correct
Bryan: Think it's needed when we decide to actually kind of go live with the campaign.
Right.
James: Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't know, credit card. I don't have no idea how a large donation of work. And again, I'm I'm focused on that and not on the individuals. So I don't know if that would be via credit card or be something else. I really don't know. But
Mark: Well, they could you know it, if nothing else they could always send a check to
Mark: The address may down to media key stakeholders. So, you know, don't know
James: If someone that's fine.
Mark: And they want to write it, then you know we haven't we can take media stakeholders can take it.
James: So if that's all defined like exactly what what needs to be done like that. That makes sense. My point is, I'm not going to march up the management chain and get to the top and be like, have you know, close the deal and then go, oh, I have no way to take your money.
James: All class at that point.
Eric-Jan: Yeah where's my English
Mark: Yeah, I definitely we can send them an invoice if they want that. So yeah, I'm
Tonight.
Eric-Jan: But this process and in my well in the in the funding plan. This process of paying is not well executed. So, this
Eric-Jan: This does need some some extra attention. I would say
Bryan: So let me just jump in and
Bryan: Talk about. So if you go to M w stake there is a page in there called sales deck.
Bryan: And it has, you know, who's been kind of working on it. And what is the deck and why we need it.
Bryan: And James this kind of addresses one of your points, you know, we have thought about the idea that we should have different
Bryan: decks and different pitches, depending on the audience that we're going for. There's some information about what a normal deck should have and Eric is kind of use this to build
Bryan: The deck that we have right now. Here's some of the so called payoffs. And we're discussing now some of the data or the statistics are used to
Bryan: Build the data and then at the top there's just a link to kind of a wiki version of what the deck looks like and so
Bryan: I just added the so called support bubbles. I don't know if there's a better name or if people have other ones, but I'm just putting it out there. So now,
Bryan: Before the next meeting, or anytime in between if if we want to discuss it or comment on it or add some new points. It's available for everybody to tinker with and we can kind of use this to guide the next discussion.
Mark: Um, and we have about 10 minutes left. Now, and I, you know, we really need to schedule the next one of these meetings, I feel like we've had a
Mark: Pretty good discussion about this part I'm Cindy and Evita and I need to come back. I don't think we have enough time in the 10 minutes left to talk about what we have
Mark: Which is, you know, actual concrete deliverables that we're, we can start talking about what we want to work on. Um,
Mark: I think we need to do that in a couple of weeks. So can we schedule another one of these in two weeks.
Mark: Same time
Mark: Same place.
This weekend.
James: I am not available. The 19th next week or two weeks.
Mark: Okay, well not James, but how about you links.
Lex: Yeah, I am. And I also just wanted to add. You know, I was offering this dry run test drive project because I've got one.
Lex: Extension that I'd like to
Lex: Have security check efficiency proven, whatever. And I contacted Brian wolf, and he has been hired fully by a sauna, so he's not involved anymore.
Lex: With anything that we might want him to look at. So it's open. Again, I have this project I have the willingness to pay. It's a very concrete. It's an extension that works. And I like to have someone
Lex: You know, professionally reviewing that and telling me that it's secure and compatible with whatever wonderful version will come up
Mark: James, can you that, first of all, let's get back to that in a second. Lex but James, can you
James: Make it on the 18th 18th works or I can do real early on the 19th. So, while not real, or I like 730 in the morning Central time
James: So like
James: The hour and a half hour earlier than today's was
Mark: Would Brian, how does that sound to you.
Bryan: Yeah, I mean, if that's if that's what works for everybody. And I can make myself available.
James: But, but, again, 18
Mark: And beyond the
Mark: That would be on the Friday. Correct.
Correct.
Mark: Okay. Um, so let's plan on 730 central a on Friday. The 19th
Mark: Is that good. Everyone agree.
Lex: Are you sending the invitation.
Lex: On this, okay.
Mark: I will. But yes, I have to first of all we need to have verbal agreement so
Find them at least
Bryan: All right, all right.
Eric-Jan: Fine.
James: All right, great. Sorry, Brian.
Mark: I'm so I'm, I'm sorry, let's let's return to what Lex was saying about that a sauna. First of all, a sauna. That's a security company, I believe, is it not.
Lex: I think it was, it was a sauna. Yeah, let me see you again, but
Lex: Yeah, that's a
James: To do app is on it.
Lex: Is
Lex: That could be yes.
Lex: Yeah, I saw exactly what
Mark: To do. Okay.
Yeah.
Mark: Well, I noticed that he was still active on MIDI wiki support desk. But anyway, moving on. Um, how is that something that Cindy. This is really a question for you because you know more people is that, is there anyone that we could get to provide a security review that we could find, you know,
Cindy: I'm
Cindy: With security review and take him or, you know, I would go to somebody who has done that, you know, Brian would have been my top choice.
Cindy: And that's a shame. And I knew he had a full time job. I didn't know that the
Cindy: Yet anyway. I guess that keeps me busy enough if you can't, if it's on the side. I'm Sam. Read within the foundation is on the security team. I don't know whether it be cakes outside
Cindy: Jobs.
Cindy: But that that would be another potential I don't nobody comes to mind outside the foundation, but specifically experienced doing security review.
Mark: Um, you know it. I could contact. Some of the Chris stipe or when the other people who was in security for the foundation, who is no longer there.
Cindy: It may be interested in
Cindy: What's that, that's another good idea. Yeah, yeah.
Mark: And that would be. Go ahead. Lex
Lex: Amar, I just want to clarify this is not so much to satisfy my need I'm just offering a concrete vetting and testing case for setting up the process.
Lex: Because I and I tell you it's like similar with the invoice, as James said, you know, you convince everyone
Lex: They pay and two days later, you've got four emails from four people involved, saying, whoa. Great. Look, we've got this and this and this. To do. We've got a budget of $3,000 please send us the contacts within half an hour.
Lex: And then, I mean, we cannot say, Well, do we know someone so that's why I mean let's I think we should first start to work out the mock or mock some modalities.
Lex: And once we have an idea then route my project through that process and that must be from formulating what I want, till payment is done.
Lex: And the person is satisfied, having done it and I'm satisfied with the result. So that's why I'm offering it it's it's not so urgent. You know what I mean.
Mark: No, no, I understand. But I also think, then, that it makes sense why I think I understand, I think, I think it also makes sense for you to
Mark: Drive. This process because right now. What I would do is I would go fine you know I would talk to people and say, Do I have. Do we know people that we can get to do this.
Mark: Yeah, but
Lex: Don't you think we have to prepare this before we collect money on the, on the basis of promising 16 hours of guaranteed project time
Lex: Well, because if they, if this is the main benefit from paying. Let's say I paid 202 and a half thousand dollars and I can see of the you know the perks and so on. It's eight hours. I say, great, let's pay it, and I have everything prepared to launch a project.
Lex: Then we cannot deliver on that promise that we have on our sales you
Eric-Jan: Know, but but a project, I would say that a project has to qualify. Right. There's a qualification process that as a project to should go through
Lex: That's not what it says.
Eric-Jan: But the starting point is that we are that we
Eric-Jan: Try to make this possible.
Eric-Jan: But
Lex: It doesn't. It doesn't say you try it says guaranteed project time and I don't look I
Eric-Jan: The way I read. That's what we get paid.
Lex: Exactly. I paid two and a half thousand dollars.
Lex: And I get a voucher for eight hours of fashionable media wiki developers time or or
Lex: I don't write anything about the project needs to be evaluated.
Bryan: And really quick.
Eric-Jan: black bodies, what we discussed
Bryan: Right, like they don't need to know that we're going to discuss it behind the scenes and and figure out who the
Bryan: Best friends. And so
Bryan: Of course, the project is intake and then we can go all right well
Bryan: We should do security. I think Brian wolf is the best word. Oh, shoot. Brian wolf is not available. Okay. Do you know, but the customer.
Bryan: Or the sponsor doesn't need to know that we're discussing it, but you know, really we figure out how best to route that and internally and will probably get better over time to figure out who's available at any one time. What companies can do it what individual developer and I don't
Cindy: I think, I think the other thing that's important is that that this highlights is that there
Cindy: That there are limits to the projects that we can take. We can't necessarily satisfy all requests, somebody could set you know come and say, I want you to build
Cindy: An extension that will fly my wiki to the moon. You know, like there are limits and it may very well be that we're not currently set up.
Cindy: To take requests for security review for extensions, because we don't have
Cindy: The infrastructure in place to do. So we've got lots of people who can develop extensions, you know. But maybe that's something right now. Not that never will. But I think that I think maybe what we need is some sort of disclaimer saying
Cindy: That, yes, we guarantee you a project, but then it has to be something we can satisfy. Anyways, I'm sorry there's somebody at my door. I need to go and my dog is freaking out.
Cindy: I will see you guys. See you will see you in two
Cindy: Yeah, okay.
Bryan: Bye, Cindy. So we did talk about having a separate page that expands on some of the membership benefits and that could be included there but
Bryan: I still think that, you know, if we have a decent community that we can ping off of. And that's what we are trying to establish the goal would be that
Bryan: We can intake a project and best determine, you know, who can fit it or if it can be fit and then we can have some feedback there, but I'm not sure that we can clearly delineate every possibility that we're able to complete up front.
Mark: Um,
Mark: So,
Mark: Yeah, we can guarantee a project, but it's a project that we can actually fulfill. It's not like will build you the Taj Mahal, um,
Lex: Okay, but then I just I just advise all of us not to short sell and to manage expectations carefully here because this is not how I read it right now.
Lex: I was actually considering coming up with the two and a half thousand and then
Lex: Say okay now I need. I want two times four hours for this. In this case, and if you tell me that that has to go through a vetting process and might be declined. And I said, well, then I rather ask before, whether that's possible.
Eric-Jan: Sure, yeah.
Mark: Um, but at the same time I do I, you know, you got me thinking about this thing now and i'm i'm one of walk it through the whole process.
Exactly.
Mark: Yeah, because I think we can find someone to do, who has media wiki knowledge and is security aware and who could do this for you. I think we can find that
Eric-Jan: Yeah, if you could share the requirements Lex
Lex: Yeah, but look, they were young. I mean, yeah, I can send you
Eric-Jan: Are the requirements or is there a goal. Well, the
Lex: Record look
Lex: No, it's not. No, no, it's not flying to the moon. It's a
Lex: Very general request I have
Eric-Jan: Taken
Lex: It says basic stuff.
Lex: LAUGH 2.0 now I have taken the scaffolding for a new extension. I've used three hooks. I'm using a couple of HTTP requests using the for request class and so on. Everything has been hacked together. I'm not a professional PHP developer. I'm not super
Lex: Familiar with the media wiki code base. And I'd like to know, Have I done a stable maintainable and secure job with regards to upgrading the extension in the future. I mean, that will be one of the classic requests, you know, this is nothing exotic
Lex: Every single you're facing right
Bryan: And
Mark: You're correct. Um, but at the same time. That sounds more like a general code review, rather than just security review. I mean, there are
Lex: Security isn't
Mark: It, which is important, but
Mark: Every
Lex: code review has to involve security.
Lex: But
Bryan: I think we can execute on this right. Um, and it's just going to be determining who the best consultant is the passes all
Bryan: Exact right. Yeah. And again, we don't this discussion doesn't have to be in front of the potential sponsor right
Lex: Thanks, Ronnie.
Bryan: There can be an intake process a discussion that sits behind the scenes. And then, you know, an assignment of work. And at some level, it sounds like we would be doing a little bit of project management or some one of us.
Bryan: To do it but but yeah I don't see this as being that big of a problem. And I don't think we have to have super explicit
Bryan: caveats about what we're able to do or not because
We're always going to go
Lex: And just one final remark. It's also about the payment modalities. I told you that. Right. So if you recommend to me an Australian
Lex: Guy.
Lex: I'm not interested in figuring out
Lex: How to pay an Australian bill I rather use MW steak is a clearing institution saying you invoice ME YOU PAY THE GUY.
Lex: Wonderful. Because then it's, you know, if that
Eric-Jan: Was would, would it be possible for you to Lex to to to put this all into what I would cause sort of a case study the right so that we can
Eric-Jan: Look into the technical details to the technical requirements. Some of the other requirements such as payment, because I don't have. I don't have a clear picture yet although you have you have talked about it.
Lex: Allows you to have a separate time. Yeah, exactly. So
Eric-Jan: What I would need is sort of a case study covering what you've what you said last time, and today well
Lex: Let me send you
Lex: Exactly what I sent
Lex: To Brian
Lex: Should I send that to come back to kapow
Eric-Jan: Yeah. Yes.
Eric-Jan: Hmm. Sorry, I'm screaming. Yeah.
Lex: That's good.
Eric-Jan: Yeah, if the chairman ratio.
Mark: Um, so if I think that's the board meeting, I think we're done with that, um, there is another user group meeting in I believe half an hour. Um,
Mark: If you, if y'all want to stick around here and continue to talk about this. I think we can. But you know, I don't. I'm just saying basically you're allowed to leave.
Lex: Okay, where's the next
Lex: The link for the next one is on MW steak. The
Bryan: Steak and that's that Google one that you were before.
Lex: Okay.
Bryan: Oh,
Lex: Man Yeah, there we go meet Google okay and that is in
Bryan: 25 minutes
Lex: Okay, good. I might have to pop out early. But that's fine.
Eric-Jan: All right, did it for me then, guys. Have a nice one.
Mark by Brian
James: James
James: I gotta go.
Eric-Jan: Bye, guys. My James by James