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MWstake meeting

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==Meeting agenda==
# '''Wait for attendees & chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}
# <del>'''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Daren}}</del>
#* <del>Another focus on sidebars similar to [[Sidebar tinkering|last month]], this will demonstrate how to use the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicSidebar DynamicSidebar] extension</del>
#:: {{Note|This will be postponed until next month.}}
# '''MWStake incorporation effort update''' {{Agenda time|3 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}
#* Bank Account, soon to have merchant account
#* Call for comment on [[MWStake incorporation/Activities and Operational Information|Activities and Operational Information]]
# '''MWStake proposed membership dues''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}
#* Call for comments on proposed MWStake membership [[Bylaws/Dues|Dues]]
# '''Update on SMWCon 2019''' {{Agenda time|15 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Lex}}
#* [https://smwcon2019.com/ Proposed website]
#* Distributing talks, workshops and create camps across the 3 conference days?
#* Parallel talk/workshop/create camp tracks?
#* [https://manage.mwstake.org/wiki/C1481809881 Conference Swag]: MEZA Wiki on a USB Stick/RasPi?
#* [https://manage.mwstake.org/wiki/Participant Participants Pool]
# '''BoilerPlate extension maintenance''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}
#* What actually needs to be done to the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BoilerPlate BoilerPlate extension]?
# '''Third party support''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}}
#* Third party support looking forward
# '''Scientific Publishing and MediaWiki''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}
#* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal Current efforts] to improve scientific publishing in using MediaWiki

==Notes==
Shared notes: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2019-06

# '''(Greg) Upgraded all his wikis to 1.32.2 using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meza Meza]'''
#* Asked if anyone else had, nobody volunteered, Greg is ahead of the game.
# '''(Mark) MWStake now has a bank account'''
# '''(Lex) Presented update on [https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon_Fall_2019 SMWCon 2019]'''
#* Asked for feedback on the new conference front page's 3 bullet points
#** (Mark) Voiced his approval, especially #3
#** (Lex) Mentioned that Airy mentioned both SMW and EMW be mentioned since it was EMWCon 2019 in Daly city that gained his involvement in the group
#** (Sabine) What is the difference between "MW Data" and "SMW Data"
#*** (Sabine, Cindy, & Mark) Maybe change the first bullet to "knowledge" vs. data
#* (Lex) One track or multiple track conference?
#** (Lex) Wolfgang and Marie only are interested in the talks and they may represent other's views as well?
#** (Cindy) We might want to consider their (Wolfgang & Marie) views as proxies for others, although we shouldn't design the conference around it
#** (Cindy) Doesn't like the create camps and tutorials sprinkled through the conference
#** (Lex) OK, so create camps and tutorials at the end
#* (Lex) Would like to have conference swag like [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meza Meza] installed on a [https://www.raspberrypi.org/ Raspberry Pi] but doesn't have the time to work out the bugs
#** {{Action}} (Mark) I will work with Daren for Meza on Rasberry Pi
#* (Lex) {{Action}} Regarding the "Participation Pool", I will contact my short list to help fund the conference with companies in the MediaWiki space, they will receive marketing based on their contribution
# '''(Bryan) Gave a brief discussion of the currently proposed MWStake membership dues and requested comments ([[Bylaws/Dues|mwstake.org]] or [[mw:Talk:MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group/Dues|mediawiki.org]])
# '''Boilerplate discussion'''
#* (Lex) It would be good to have '''one''' single model for the current extension template
#* (Mark) The conference would be a good place to start the discussion
#* (Gergo) Added a link to [[mw:Best practices for extensions|Best practices for extensions]]
#* (Lex) Great info, thanks Gergo
#* (Ad) Shouldn't we have a group of extensions that are "MWStake maintained"?
#** (Mark) Yes! We should "rehabilitate" some extensions that are commonly used
#** (Lex) This idea keeps popping up, we need to '''DO IT'''!
#** (Sabine) Proposed a "certificate" for extensions
#** (Bryan) A good first step would be to collect all the extensions each of us consider crucial for Enterprise Knowledge Management, compare each individuals list to the groups, and decide as a group (MWStake) what the list should contain.  Then we need to outline a process that defines how we certify, recheck, and mark the extension as certified as an ongoing and continuous process.
# '''(Cindy) WMF moving towards a "graceful degradation" of support for 3rd parties'''
# '''Discussion about switching from Visual Editor (VE) to Wiki Mark-up (Source) and back'''
#* Currently you can switch from VE to Source without loss of data
#* Switching from Source to VE without RESTBase isn't currently possible and installing and configuring RESTBase has proven challenging
# '''(Bryan) Discussed the current problem with Scientific Publishing in the world and how MediaWiki may help'''
#* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal
# '''(Greg) Mentioned Approved Revs has an issue in big wikis'''
#* (Greg) There are long delays for queries, does anyone know why?
#* (Mark) Suggested updating the Phabricator task with an "explain"
#* (Gergo) Mentioned using Structured Logging

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