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==Meeting agenda==
# '''Wait for attendees & chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}
# '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}
# '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}
# '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}
# '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}

==Notes==
The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].
# '''Update from Vincent'''
#* {{Agenda presenter|Vincent}} I'm learning Ansible via an online course.
#* {{Agenda presenter|Vincent}} My goal is to contribute to Meza.
# '''Connecting to New Users'''
#* {{Agenda presenter|Vincent}} Funny story about my first EMWCon.  It was right after I started at NASA and didn't have much experience with MediaWiki.  I listened to Lex's talk and I was in the front row, after the talk Lex approached me and asked me what I thought.  One thing I didn't understand was what a Category was in a wiki so I asked him.  Lex immediately asked if I was an "newbie".
#* {{Agenda presenter|Vincent}} I'd like to give a talk at the next EMWCon targeted at new users.
#** {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} That would be amazing!  I wish I had attended something like that at my first EMWCon and I'd still be really excited about that
# '''MediaWiki Skins'''
#* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} I talked to the developer of [https://tweeki.kollabor.at/wiki/Welcome Tweeki]
#** {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} Tweeki shouldn't be confused with the alternate wiki platform [https://twiki.org/ Twiki]
#* Trying to decide if there's a community need for [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Chameleon Chameleon]
#* Is it possible the community should choose Tweeki over Chameleon?  It seems Chameleon is not being developed
#* {{Agenda presenter|Jeroen}} In related news, we are looking for a UI developer to collaborate wtih
#* {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} What's the difference between Tweeki & Chameleon?  They are both just MW + Bootstrap
#** {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} One difference is Tweeki can identify logged-in users and present different information (special pages, etc.) that non-logged-in users don't see
#* {{Agenda presenter|Ike}} I love Chameleon, I use it often, and have contributed patches in the past
#* {{Agenda presenter|Joroen}} There's another new skin called [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Medik Medik]
#* {{Agenda presenter|Ike}} I think there's an advantage to having 2 options, 3 isn't as ideal, law of diminishing returns
#* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} Here's a link to different [https://skins.wmflabs.org/#/ MW Skins]
# '''MediaWiki News'''
#* {{Agenda presenter|Gergo}} discussed what's new in MediaWiki
#* TechCom (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Technical_Committee) has been replaced by the Technical Decision Making Process (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Decision_Making_Process). This is a discussion forum with no clear decisionmaking powers but wider participation. They are looking for developers who would represent various parts of the non-WMF developer community. People with +2 can apply / be nominated until February 15. Details here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Decision_Making_Process/Draft_Proposal_Community_Representation
#** Giving out +2 was handled by TechCom; there is discussion on how it should be done in the future: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T273164
#* MediaWiki will be significantly slower on Debian Buster than on previous Debian releases, due to Spectre mitigations. More info: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2021-February/094230.html
#* New RfCs:
#** Replace the god object WikiPage with a value object: PageIdentity https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T208776
#** Factor out authorization-related functionality from the god object User to a new interface, Authority (for now still implemented via User) https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T231930
#* New library / MediaWiki feature: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Shellbox - updates Shell/ShellCommand classes to let you define the inputs and outputs for shell commands, and then execute those shell commands over a web service to limit the effect of vulnerabilities in external tools.
#* Older RfCs accepted:
#** Drop support for MediaWiki upgrades from versions before the last two LTS releases https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259771
#** Various changes to the stable interface policy https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268326
#* Documentation on documentation was expanded (as part of Google's Season of the Docs): https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Documentation
#* You can apply to mentor Outreachy or Google Summer of Code participants: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2021-January/094199.html

===Chat===
* {{Agenda presenter|Jeroen}} pewpew
* {{Agenda presenter|Ike}} Have to jump off for a few 
* {{Agenda presenter|Jeroen}} Haha Lex
* {{Agenda presenter|Jeroen}} burn hard!
* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} https://tweeki.kollabor.at
* {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} There's another wiki project I was confusing this for:
** https://twiki.org/
* {{Agenda presenter|Jeroen}} Would love that handshake Bernhard
* {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} The other skin being discussed:
** https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Chameleon
* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} Here's the code: https://github.com/thaider/Tweeki
* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} CSS/Specialist I work with who does knows how to do chameleon sub-skins: 
** wolfram.huber@doloops.net
** +43 664 5211974
* {{Agenda presenter|Jeroen}} https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Medik
* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} https://skins.wmflabs.org
* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} ah, tweeki is already in the wmflabs psge
* {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2021-02
* {{Agenda presenter|Jeroen}} +1
* {{Agenda presenter|Ike}} https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Tweeki
* {{Agenda presenter|Ike}} https://skins.wmflabs.org/#/skin/tweeki
* {{Agenda presenter|Jeroen}} MW 1.36 alpha?
* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} What would be helpful is a changelog from LTS to LTS version. I am on MW 1.31 and go directyl to MW 1.35...

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