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==Meeting agenda==
# '''Wait for attendees & chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}
# '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}
# '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}
# '''Creating MediaWiki-based "products"''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}
#* Update & invitation to interested people
#* Original [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-enterprise/2020-December/000506.html email description]
# '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}
# '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}

==Notes==
The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].
# '''MediaWiki-based "products" (Project Canasta)'''
#* Info on Project Canasta:
#** [[MW:Project Canasta|Project Canasta]] (Mediawiki.org)
#** [[User:Bryan_Hilderbrand#Project_Canasta|Notes]] (MWStake)
#* {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} I want to hear Richard's approach to Content Distribution
#* {{Agenda presenter|Richard}} We had some efforts/ideas, "[[Sunflower MediaWiki]]" ([http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Event:93#:~:text=standard%20distribution%20of%20MediaWiki%2B previous discussion])
#** We are happy to collaborate
#** We need collaboration & methodology to pay developers for creation/maintenance
#** It's crazy that many of us are recreating the same things
#* {{Agenda presenter|Yaron}} Project Canasta has 3 parts:
#*# Platform (Meza, Sunflower Distribution, Docker approach, some combination, something entirely new)
#*# Transfer (PX, Wikibase method, MABS, other)
#*# Content (Actual Product/Package/Module/etc.)
#* {{Agenda presenter|Yaron}} The Platform part has a few contenders (Meza & Docker)
#* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} Having a containerized infrastructure is an important goal
#** WMF is using Docker organized by Kubernetes
#** WMF is creating standardized images, they aren't targeting 3rd party uses, but I'm pushing to not preclude that
#** Work that Hallo Welt! and Wikibase have been collaborating on that includes page based access control sounds like a good approach
#** I'm very happy that multiple users/companies/etc. are combining/collaborating to work on this
#* {{Agenda presenter|Richard}} We need more that just a technological solution, but also a need for defined use cases
#** An example use case: What can a Document Management System be and look like?
#* {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} As a note, we have a schedule for 2 different meetings, each held bi-weekly:
#*# Infrastructure
#*# Package/Content/Module/etc.
#* {{Agenda presenter|Greg}} One way to get a lot of momentum/productivity is just schedule a meeting to have everyone collaborate & write down ideas on a wiki page
#* {{Agenda presenter|Lex}} I recommend starting with code.  Do something & iterate.  Avoid brainstorming and see what actually works.  Show people what you've been working on (GitHub)
#* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy & Greg}} We need to define/document the requirements
#* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} There are several different levels of requirements.  Requirements are needed before we start to talk about specific technologies
#* {{Agenda presenter|Richard}} Use Case side & Technical is needed
#* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} A WikiFarm "standard approach" would be good.  The software should support a standard method
#* {{Agenda presenter|Frank}} Can such "minimum standards" help establish a "safe harbor" for the adoption of MediaWiki by sectors (such as law or government) in which the users have heightened obligations for confidentiality and privacy?
#* {{Agenda presenter|Richard}} Regarding WikiFarms, Confluence makes it easy to create another "Space", but I find that problematic for knowledge sharing.
#** I'd like to hear from others about "why" you create farms?  What is the use case?
#** {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} It might be a "feature, not a bug" that it is harder to create a separate "silo" of knowledge using MediaWiki.  I've found it's much better to try and keep a companies knowledge in on "silo".  That being said, I do appreciate the need to have different levels of access for some knowledge
# '''[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T250406 Hybrid Extension Management]'''
#* {{Agenda presenter|Richard}} There was an idea about Hybrid Extension Management
#** Can we agree on a standard (use Composer?)
#** We must talk about users & use cases
#** For use cases (well defined) we need expertise (customers, users, etc.)
#* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} For some RFC Information, there was an RFC that was rejected.  That has been used as an excuse about why composer shouldn't be used for extensions
#* {{Agenda presenter|Greg}} Update from me.  I'm not sure about the future of QualityBox, but I'm a full-time developer for Pega Systems now & work closely with Wikibase Solutions. 
#** I'll have more time moving forward & now represent a different aspect of a Stakeholder.

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