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==Meeting agenda==
# '''Wait for attendees & chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}
# '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}
# '''SMWCon''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}
#* The [https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon_Fall_2020 Semantic MediaWiki Conference] this year was a huge success
#* Some discussions about what worked well and any issues that came up
#* [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw2YgbWET_pgT_oUsampBL8O6osinnNW8 YouTube Playlist] 
# '''[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021 Community Wishlist Survey 2021]''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}
#* The submission phase is now closed (30NOV) with 288 proposals
#* The voting phase is coming up (08DEC – 21DEC)
#* Any feedback is welcome, some things I found interesting that might be relevant to MWStake:
#** [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Editing#Copy_and_paste_from_diffs Copy and paste from diffs] (Editing)
#** [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Miscellaneous#Bring_back_PDF_book_rendering Bring back PDF book rendering] (Misc.)
#** [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Multimedia_and_Commons#Support_360_photo_viewing Support 360 photo viewing] (Multimedia & Commons)
#** [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Wikidata Section on Wikidata]
# '''WMF Stable Interface Policy''' {{Agenda time|10 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}}
#* The email from WMF mentions MWStake 
#* https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-December/094086.html
#* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268328
#* https://github.com/MWStake/nonwmf-extensions
# '''Creating reusable MediaWiki products''' {{Agenda time|15 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Yaron}}
#* Developing community driven MediaWiki products (ISO, CRM, BPM, etc.) that can be shared via [[MW:Extension:Page Exchange|Page Exchange]]/Docker
# '''How to become a member''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}
#* Information about how to become an MWStake member
# '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}

==Notes==
# '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda presenter|Gergo}}
#* Proposal to make shelling out from MediaWiki containerizable: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260330
#* Firefox required version upped to 3.6: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262946
#* A bunch more requirement changes are being discussed: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T266866
#* RfC for a more formalized way to provide config snippets, mainly for testing: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267928
#* Old RfCs still being discussed: extension Composer compatibility, DB upgrade support for old versions
#* Wikimedia Movement Strategy Global Conversations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Transition/Global_Conversations
#* Dell (Caleb Cooper) discussed their use of Docker (related to [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260330 T260330])
# '''SMWCon''' {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}}
#* [https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon_Fall_2020 SMWCon Page]
#* Many thanks to Bernhard Krabina, Richard Heigl, and others that put it together, it was a great success
#* Some statistics:
#** '''234''' - Registered
#** '''92''' - Max concurrent at event
#** '''74''' - Max concurrent during an individual session
#* Not all the talks are out yet, but here is the [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw2YgbWET_pgT_oUsampBL8O6osinnNW8 YouTube playlist]
#* Wikidata was a big topic during the conference with several topics devoted to it
#* The [https://hopin.com/ hop.in] platform was very nice and added a lot of "conference like" features
# '''Community Wishlist Survey 2021''' {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}
#* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021 link to survey]
# '''WMF Stable Interface Policy'''
#* The email from WMF mentions MWStake 
#* https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-December/094086.html
#* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268328
#* https://github.com/MWStake/nonwmf-extensions
# '''Creating reusable MediaWiki products''' {{Agenda presenter|Yaron}}
#* Yaron runs [https://wikiworks.com/ WikiWorks] a MW consulting company
#* The goal of the reusable products is to increase MW usage
#* Envisioned to be a Docker container that has MW + Extension (including [[MW:Extension:Page Exchange|Page Exchange]])
#* "Products" could be made up of packages of MW, extensions, and data structures.  It could be useful to anyone starting up, consultants, and be FOSS or include proprietary elements
#* {{Agenda presenter|Rich Evans}} I'm happy to donate Template/Forms/Properties
#* {{Agenda presenter|Rich Evans}} I think the problem with page exchange for private enterprise sites that might use your data structures is the SSO issue
#* {{Agenda presenter|Marcus}} I'm happy to contribute
#* {{Agenda presenter|Alex}} I am just learning about docker and looking to use it for MediaWiki so I'll be interested in contributing
#* A package manager could help
# '''How to become a member''' {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}
#* Brief mention that the "Become a member" feature is now live on the MWStake website
# '''WikiConference North America (WCNA) {{Agenda presenter|Peter Meyer}}
#* December 11th-13th
#* If someone from MWStake could provide a write-up of what MWStake is all about, Peter will share
#** Peter to contact Markus for write-up
# '''Chat service recommendation'''
#* From [www.volteurope.org Volt] (a new political movement)
#* Looking for a Workplace alternative. I was curious about what the Wikimedia movement is using. I asked some questions and somebody referred me to the MediaWiki Stakeholders. I think Elements is very interesting. I was also curious if the Wikimedia community is also integrating something like Trello? I learned that the community uses Phabricator. We are looking for a very user friendly open source platform. 
#* There's a bunch of information about Matrix on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186061
#* There's also https://chat.wmcloud.org/ which is Mattermost
#* The Wikimedia Foundation uses Slack internally
#* Zulip is used for some engineering outreach, and Telegram is used mainly by Wikimedia user groups / chapters.
#* Obviously there are IRC channels all around the place
#* The Wikimedia movement hasn't really converged to a single chat solution yet
#* The main differentiating factors for Matrix are federation and end-to-end encrypted group chats so it might depend on your situation how useful it is to you
# '''Upgrading MW from 1.31 to 1.35'''
#* It appears that Mediawiki 1.31.10 created an additional "slots" table. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212428.
#* So we must create the new table manually before running the upgrade script. <code> php maintenance/populateContentTables.php</code>
#* Strange that 1.31.10 created additional tables. I would think creating new tables (altering database) should only be done by a major version?
#* See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212428
#* The general consensus is the the update scripts should catch this and create the necessary tables
# '''Misc'''
#* GitHub repo for [https://github.com/MWStake/nonwmf-extensions/ Non-WMF Extensions]

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