3 May 2019 MWstake Meeting

Date (UTC):	3 May 2019 15:30:00 - 3 May 2019 16:30:00
URL:	https://bluejeans.com/659595738
Etherpad:	https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2019-05
Attendees:	AD, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Daren Welsh, Evita Hollis, Gergo, Greg, Ike Hecht, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser, Tina Tenbergen

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Meeting agenda

1. Wait for attendees & chat 5 min
2. Wiki Moment 5 min Bryan
   • Brief discussion to customizing and adding tooltips to the sidebar menu
3. Intro to new meeting structure 5 min Bryan
   • Discuss new MWStake meeting format and rationale (more useful to participants & more structured)
   • Evita will be structuring the meetings, send her topics, discuss where to add ideas and comments (including now in chat)
4. EMWCon 2019 Recap 5 min Unknown
   • Highlights for those that missed it
5. SMWCon 2019 Update and Planning 5 min Lex
   • Regarding MWStake's upcoming SMWCon Fall 2019 organizational role we schedule a brief coordination meeting right after this regular MWStake monthly meeting, i.e. at 16:30 UTC. Please see/add_to https://manage.mwstake.org/wiki/C1237859930#Agenda.
6. MWStake Bylaws & Incorporation Update 5 min Mark
   • Generally the bylaws have been approved
   • Next steps
7. Membership Dues 10 min Mark
   • Feedback on current structure on the talk page
8. Duplicator Task 10 min Mark Lex
   • This was discussed during EMWCon 2019
   • Stewardship of an extension
   • First task to understand how the group can work together to accomplish a goal
   • This can provide a framework for future stewardship of a "suite" of MWStake currated extensions for enterprise use
   • Notes from Rich (who can't make it) in defense of using Extension:Duplicator for this purpose:

     All I would say is that we have a page that is a collection of status updates and the date is part of the page name. Each day people use the Duplicator special page to do a "Save-As" of the page called "Work Status 2019-05-01" and copy it as "Work Status 2019-05-02" and then edit it from there. It's nothing that could be a template.. over the course of 5 or 10 days everything becomes completely different, but from one day to the next, not so much. It's a "Save-As" extension for wiki pages within the wiki.. just like every stand-alone office application has.

Notes

Shared notes: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2019-05

1. Intro to new meeting structure - Bryan
   • ACTION ITEM Determine the best approach for members to notify Evita about topics for meeting agendas
   • ACTION ITEM (Daren) NASA has a method for customizing the sidebar base on the user -- will follow up on sharing this during the next meeting
2. Highlights from the Spring EMWCon 2019
   • (Greg) Pros
     • Good facilities
     • Networking with those from MWStake
     • Personal connections
     • Help with solutions that would have taken a lot of time
   • (Greg) Cons
     • Presentation difficulties (technical issues and communication barriers)
     • No deals???
   • (Lex) Participant came only for the create camp - considered to be the richest experience so far
   • (Daren) Encourage current participants to try to bring new participants
3. SMWCon 2019 Update and Planning - Lex
   • May 13 - Launch of website and official information
   • Paris (confirmed)
   • Sept 25 - 27 (confirmed)
   • 80 people
4. MWStake Bylaws & Incorporation Update - Mark
   • Bylaws have been approved
   • Next step in the non-profit status
   • SMWCON 2019 -- not sure how to handle Euros, otherwise XXX could handle
5. Membership dues - Mark/Bryan/Evita
   • The Corporate (cost) steps might be to large
     • ACTION ITEM Members are asked to provide feedback on fee schedule
   • Users represent the users of the software within the company
   • Objective of the membership
     • Income the support legal fees
     • Promotion of the MW software beyond ourselves
       • marketing
     • Taken from the Bylaws
     • 2.3.1 Contribute to the development of MediaWiki;
     • 2.3.2 Maintain MediaWiki and its extensions;
     • 2.3.3 Improve documentation for MediaWiki and its extensions;
     • 2.3.4 Cooperate and liaison with the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.;
     • 2.3.5 Coordinate between MediaWiki developers, operators, and users;
     • 2.3.6 Promote MediaWiki to the public;
     • 2.3.7 Act as a patron and coordinator for international gatherings, conferences, hackathons, etc.;
     • 2.3.8 Advocate on behalf of third-party users of MediaWiki; and
     • 2.3.9 Foster best practices for MediaWiki and its users.
   • Potential corporations are those who want to be affiliated with MWStake and support MW outside of the foundation
   • ACTION ITEM Gergo will determine a place to put info on MediaWiki.org to allow feedback on the dues
   • Voting concern
     • Why would I be a "Gold" member of I only get one additional vote?
     • ACTION ITEM Members are asked to provide feedback on a voting structure
   • (Lex) What are the top 3 business cases that the money will be spent on?
     • Should Corporate membership have a guaranteed project completion?
6. Duplicator Task
   • Other extensions to consider as the group's first project
     • (Lex) Example and BoilerPlate extensions
   • The group pays someone to take responsibility of the extension
     • Someone tied to MW core
     • Might be difficulty as they might not be able to except or have the time
   • (Bryan) Boilderplate sounds like a good start. Also, I think I remember Daren having a reservation about using Duplicator as a first extension to work on.
   • (Cindy) The problem with starting from my old extensions is that I may miss changes since they were created. I often think I should go back and re-read the mw.o documentation on creating an extension to see what has been updated.
   • (Daren) regarding boilerplate extensions, James made https://github.com/enterprisemediawiki/BasicParserFunction but it looks like it hasn't been touched in 4 years. Maybe it could help.
   • (Gergo) the related task is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97105 BTW
   • (Gergo) cookiecutter is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cookiecutter-mediawiki-extension
   • Next steps
     • The "Example/BoilerPlate" extension will be the first project -https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BoilerPlate
7. Lighting announcements
   • (Gergo)