Event:7

Date (UTC):	5 December 2014 15:00:00 - 5 December 2014 16:00:00
URL:	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Meetings/2014-12-05_Telco
Etherpad:	https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2014-12
Attendees:	Alexis Hershberger, Chris Koerner, Cindy Cicalese, Karsten Hoffmeyer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser, Michael Anthony Alabastro, Natasha Brown, Siebrand Mazeland, Tyler Romeo

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Purpose

previous meeting

• 5th Telco, 7. November 2014

Time and Place

5 December, 2014 at 3 PM UTC

Dial in

• Google Hangout

Whiteboard

• http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Wiki-Co-op

Attendees (for real)

• Attendees

Agenda

1. Welcome - Markus
2. MediaWiki Stakeholders Group Recognized!
3. Release 1.24.0
4. Upcoming release: Want anything special for that release?
5. Bug reports and users' experiences - Mark
6. RFC process
   1. How many people use composer as a basis?
   2. Extension management
   3. Opt-in "Registration" for update notification.
7. State of projects
   1. Feature wishlist (Google Code-in students may work on this, too.)
   2. Roadmap
   3. Publicizing 1.24
8. Future conferences for a track
   1. Wikimania 2015
      1. Mexico City, July 15-19
      2. Location and accommodation information are available at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_bids/Mexico_City
   2. European Hackathon 2015
      1. Lyon, France, May 23-25
      2. Location and accommodation information are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lyon_Hackathon_2015
   3. US Hackathon Developer Summit 2015 (invitation only)
      1. San Francisco, California, USA, January 26 -27
      2. To register: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Developer_Summit_2015
   4. SMWCon Spring 2015, TBD
   5. SMWCon Fall 2015, TBD
9. Other
10. Closing - Mark

Minutes

Attendees

• Markus
• Alexis (etherpad)
• Mark
• Cindy
• Karsten
• Natasha
• Chris
• Michael

MediaWiki Stakeholders Group Recognized!

• Markus shows status
• Yay! Thank you all for your involvement

Release 1.24.0

• Markus points out that this is the place to raise concerns regarding any problems
• Meetings are tied to releases
• What can we do better?
• Any findings? Plans?
• Cindy: there are plans for an update. Were several point releases behind. Commited to keep up with the point releases.
• Mark: once there's an official release, early adopter stuff is taken care of
• Karsten: Not updated yet. Usually uses the latest legacy. Running on 1.23.7. Users have custom skins. They want to run on LTS version. Tests on a test instance before, manually. Release scheme is a good thing.
• Natasha: did upgrade. Has a list of things to do. Depends on Edlira. Is confused by Composer. Some extensions break.
• https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g7MYYN6-AWRKp4AxdADUHx7jdsQe-XCl5V3fDEqfepM/edit
• Chris: running wmf-branch in production. No special issues found. Needed modern builds that work with mobile frontend and such, MultiMediaViewer, visualEditor

Bug reports and users' experiences

• Mark watched reports about people having trouble with upgrading

Report on MW users meeting in Houston

• People seemed to like MW more than SP (SharePoint Wiki)
• Presentation my NASA and WikiEm.org an
• SP is pushing against MW. It would be good to come up with pros and cons
• There's some experience with 2003 SP
• Chris: can work on a comparison
• Cindy: Strength is fine graned access control
• Markus: SP is ok for small collaboration, but MW is much better for larger.

RFC process

• We take part in the RfC discussion to bring te stakeholders' view into the discussion

How many people use composer as a basis?

• Cindy: selective enabling / disabling of a feature on a wiki farm (not supported)
• Karsten +1
• Composer works with homogenous wikis, but not otherwise.
• Makes upgrading fast, but can be problematic if one extension isn't upgraded. if the dependency wasnt updated properly
• Mark: we need a GUI

Extension management

• What are the requirements?
• Come up with requirements -- Markus will be asking for feedback on mailing list.
• Mark will talk to Quim and Rachel about Cindy going to SF

Opt-in "Registration" for update notification.

• There will be a special page: CheckMyVersion

State of projects

Feature wishlist

• Google Code-in students are helping by looking over mailing list.
• Alexis: currently one student has claimed the task of looking over the month of September 2014

Roadmap

• RFCs substitute for roadmap right now.

Publicizing for MediaWiki

• Richard wrote some blog post under CC license free to use: MediaWiki - Software moving towards the future
  • Part 1: Skinning, Mobile, Dialogues: http://blog.blue-spice.org/2014/12/01/mediawiki-software-moving-towards-the-future-part-1-of-3-skinning-mobile-dialogues/
  • Part 2: Visual Editor and simultaneous editing: http://blog.blue-spice.org/2014/12/02/mediawiki-software-moving-towards-the-future-part-2-of-3-visual-editor-and-simultaneous-editing-of-texts/
  • Part 3: Communication, Wikidata, Translation: http://blog.blue-spice.org/2014/12/03/mediawiki-software-moving-towards-the-future-part-3-of-3-communication-wikidata-translation/
  • A German version is available on the Hallo Welt blog.

Future conferences for a track

• Wikimania 2015

• Mexico City, July 15-19

• • Location and accommodation information are available at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_bids/Mexico_City

• European Hackathon 2015

• • Lyon, France, May 23-25

• • Location and accommodation information are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lyon_Hackathon_2015

• US Hackathon Developer Summit 2015 (invitation only)

• • San Francisco, California, USA, January 26 -27

• • To register: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Developer_Summit_2015

• SMWCon Spring 2015, TBD

• SMWCon Fall 2015, TBD

• We need to find ways of funding travel to these conferences
• Could be a test case for our own funding
• Funding raised for track could be used to support travel.