2 June 2023 MWstake Meeting

Date (UTC):	2 June 2023 15:30:00 - 2 June 2023 16:30:00
URL:	https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb
Etherpad:	https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2023-06
Attendees:	Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Gergő Tisza, Markus Glaser, Nick Gluzdov, Rich Evans, Thomas O'Neill

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Meeting agenda

1. Wait for attendees & chat 5 min
2. Wiki Quickie 5 min TBD
3. MediaWiki News 20 min Mark
4. TBD 20 min TBD
5. Wiki Watercooler remaining Open Mic

Notes

The meeting voice transcription is available on the talk page.

1. Tom PowerPedia
   • Rich drafted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Application_Rationalizations
   • There is a threat from SharePoint
   • There is a consensus to keep the information in wiki format
   • Some PowerPedia stats:
     • Started 13 years ago
     • 80k pages
     • 13k content pages
     • 300k edits
   • Don Burke retired from the CIA (one of the early proponents of Intellipedia)
   • DOE is divesting from max.gox (confluence) in favor of apan.org

Links

• https://portal.max.gov/portal/home
• https://www.apan.org/
  • The All Partners Access Network (APAN) is an unclassified information sharing and collaboration enterprise for the United States Department of Defense (DOD). We are exploring using it as a potential replacement to Max.gov. Ahead of our next meeting, would a few people be willing to create an account (https://community.apan.org/support/w/kb/19051/1-create-apan-account/) and then attempt to join https://community.apan.org/wg/enterprise-mediawiki-community-of-practice/? I would like to get people's feedback in the meeting to see if this will work as a viable alternative.
  • About APAN - APAN provides the DOD and mission partners community spaces and collaborative tools to leverage information to effectively plan, train and respond to meet their business requirements and mission objectives. APAN makes these tools available over the open internet so individuals and organizations who do not have access to traditional DOD systems and networks can participate in information sharing and collaborative events.
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia
• https://youtu.be/dgCvpy2P_Fo
• https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/M-22-09.pdf
• https://www.cisa.gov/zero-trust-maturity-model
• https://www.intelink.gov/my.policy

Chat

1. Tom: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2023/06/01/national-donut-day-2023-deals/70268964007/
2. Gergo: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2023-06
3. Tom: https://portal.max.gov/portal/home
   • https://www.apan.org/
4. Rich: The All Partners Access Network (APAN) is an unclassified information sharing and collaboration enterprise for the United States Department of Defense (DOD). We are exploring using it as a potential replacement to Max.gov. Ahead of our next meeting, would a few people be willing to create an account (https://community.apan.org/support/w/kb/19051/1-create-apan-account/) and then attempt to join https://community.apan.org/wg/enterprise-mediawiki-community-of-practice/? I would like to get peopl
5. Rich: ^ feedback in the meeting to see if this will work as a viable alternative.
   • About APAN - APAN provides the DOD and mission partners community spaces and collaborative tools to leverage information to effectively plan, train and respond to meet their business requirements and mission objectives. APAN makes these tools available over the open internet so individuals and organizations who do not have access to traditional DOD systems and networks can participate in information sharing and collaborative events.
6. Tom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia
7. Bryan: Intellipedia. It's been written up. It's the Wikipedia on a classified network, with one very important difference: it's not anonymous. We want people to establish a reputation. If you're really good, we want people to know you're good. If you're making contributions, we want that known. If you're an idiot, we want that known too.
8. Tom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia#Awards
9. Cindy: Sean Dennehy talking about Intellipedia at EMWCon 2017 in Virginia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgCvpy2P_Fo&list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2c9MIMVeuoI8Q7eFrnT9Mdi&index=5
10. Cindy: And, of course, Tom talking about PowerPedia at the same conference:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfkfMHl4DQw&list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2c9MIMVeuoI8Q7eFrnT9Mdi&index=9
    • And, the full federal government panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZQ6lWg5Hww&list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2c9MIMVeuoI8Q7eFrnT9Mdi&index=10
11. Rich: I took Yaron's WikiWorks "one good knife" analogy and generalized it for MW in general .. here it is: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Xjac81qdj0igo64t
12. Tom: https://www.cisa.gov/zero-trust-maturity-model
13. Bryan: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/M-22-09.pdf
14. Tom: https://www.intelink.gov/
15. Tom: Sorry to eat up so much meeting time
16. Bryan: No, that was really helpful, thanks Tom.
    • I'd really like to know how we can help advocate for Powerpedia (using MW!).
17. Tom: Thank you!
18. Markus: Thanks Gergö
19. Bryan: I think that was you Rich!
20. Cindy: I still think we need the Acquia of MediaWiki: https://www.acquia.com/drupal/acquia-drupal
21. Bryan: While MediaWiki is not a single software element solution that checks all the boxes of a security plan by itself (nothing is), it can, when used in conjunction with other administrative and technical elements of an overall system, definitely serve as the core element of a very secure knowledge infrastructure implementation. ~ Rich Evans (date unknown)
22. Tom: Acquia does an excellent job of promoting Druapl. I would love to see the same for MediaWiki. # I feel like there are some efforts
23. Rich: NIST FIPS-199 defines 3 dimensions of cybersecurity:
    1. Confidentiality
    2. Integrity
    3. Accessibility
24. Rich: And each IT system is requires to rate each of these dimensions in one of 3 levels:
    1. LOW
    2. MODERATE
    3. HIGH
25. Tom: https://canasta.wiki/ or https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meza?
26. Tom: Government wiki farm
    • Plus adding some good starter templates (infobox, navbox, etc.) with template data
27. Tom: I would love to see NASA offer that as a service
    • The CSP should be FedRAMP compliant
28. Tom: Rich - Could you share more details at an upcoming Federal meeting?
29. Tom: https://usalearning.gov/ hosts NRC wiki
30. Tom: Where is my ITIL manual when I need it
31. Rich: NIST FIPS 200 defines 20 control groups
32. Tom: https://wiki.en.it-processmaps.com/index.php/Availability_Management
33. Rich: NIST SP-800-53 Rev 5
34. Tom: We will let our ISSO team read Rev 5
35. Nick: please respond to jeff's email. i am curious what the team thinks.

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