4 December 2020 MWstake Meeting

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Blank.png Date (UTC): 4 December 2020 16:30:00 - 4 December 2020 17:30:00
Blank.png URL: https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb
Blank.png Etherpad: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2020-12

Person.png Attendees: Alex Tanchoco, Bernhard Krabina, Bob Watts, Bryan Hildebrand, Caleb Cooper, Cindy Cicalese, Geert Van Pamel, Gergő Tisza, Igor Absorto, Ike Hecht, Jeroen De Dauw, Lex Sulzer, Lexi McGillivray, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser, Michael Barylak, Nick Parrott, Patrick Marvin, Peter Meyer, Peter Woudsma, Rich Evans, Tim Ruijters, Vincent Brooks, Yaron Koren

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Meeting agenda

  1. Wait for attendees & chat 5 min
  2. MediaWiki News 5 min Mark
  3. SMWCon 20 min TBD
  4. Community Wishlist Survey 2021 5 min Bryan
  5. WMF Stable Interface Policy 10 min Cindy
  6. Creating reusable MediaWiki products 15 min Yaron
    • Developing community driven MediaWiki products (ISO, CRM, BPM, etc.) that can be shared via Page Exchange/Docker
  7. How to become a member 5 min Mark
    • Information about how to become an MWStake member
  8. Wiki Watercooler remaining Open Mic


  1. MediaWiki News Gergo
  2. SMWCon Cindy
    • SMWCon Page
    • Many thanks to Bernhard Krabina, Richard Heigl, and others that put it together, it was a great success
    • Some statistics:
      • 234 - Registered
      • 92 - Max concurrent at event
      • 74 - Max concurrent during an individual session
    • Not all the talks are out yet, but here is the YouTube playlist
    • Wikidata was a big topic during the conference with several topics devoted to it
    • The hop.in platform was very nice and added a lot of "conference like" features
  3. Community Wishlist Survey 2021 Bryan
  4. WMF Stable Interface Policy
  5. Creating reusable MediaWiki products Yaron
    • Yaron runs WikiWorks a MW consulting company
    • The goal of the reusable products is to increase MW usage
    • Envisioned to be a Docker container that has MW + Extension (including Page Exchange)
    • "Products" could be made up of packages of MW, extensions, and data structures. It could be useful to anyone starting up, consultants, and be FOSS or include proprietary elements
    • Rich Evans I'm happy to donate Template/Forms/Properties
    • Rich Evans I think the problem with page exchange for private enterprise sites that might use your data structures is the SSO issue
    • Marcus I'm happy to contribute
    • Alex I am just learning about docker and looking to use it for MediaWiki so I'll be interested in contributing
    • A package manager could help
  6. How to become a member Mark
    • Brief mention that the "Become a member" feature is now live on the MWStake website
  7. WikiConference North America (WCNA) Peter Meyer
    • December 11th-13th
    • If someone from MWStake could provide a write-up of what MWStake is all about, Peter will share
      • Peter to contact Markus for write-up
  8. Chat service recommendation
    • From [www.volteurope.org Volt] (a new political movement)
    • Looking for a Workplace alternative. I was curious about what the Wikimedia movement is using. I asked some questions and somebody referred me to the MediaWiki Stakeholders. I think Elements is very interesting. I was also curious if the Wikimedia community is also integrating something like Trello? I learned that the community uses Phabricator. We are looking for a very user friendly open source platform.
    • There's a bunch of information about Matrix on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186061
    • There's also https://chat.wmcloud.org/ which is Mattermost
    • The Wikimedia Foundation uses Slack internally
    • Zulip is used for some engineering outreach, and Telegram is used mainly by Wikimedia user groups / chapters.
    • Obviously there are IRC channels all around the place
    • The Wikimedia movement hasn't really converged to a single chat solution yet
    • The main differentiating factors for Matrix are federation and end-to-end encrypted group chats so it might depend on your situation how useful it is to you
  9. Upgrading MW from 1.31 to 1.35
    • It appears that Mediawiki 1.31.10 created an additional "slots" table. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212428.
    • So we must create the new table manually before running the upgrade script. php maintenance/populateContentTables.php
    • Strange that 1.31.10 created additional tables. I would think creating new tables (altering database) should only be done by a major version?
    • See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212428
    • The general consensus is the the update scripts should catch this and create the necessary tables
  10. Misc

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