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Abraham Taherivand
Akash Agarwal
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Alex Tanchoco
Alexia E. Smith
Alexis Hershberger
Alina Mierluș
Andreas Kukartz
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Caleb Cooper
Charlot Cobben
Chris Koerner
Chris Steipp
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Daniel Kinzler
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Dejan Savuljesku
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==Meeting agenda== # '''Wait for attendees & chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} # '''SMWCon''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}} #* The [https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon_Fall_2020 Semantic MediaWiki Conference] this year was a huge success #* Some discussions about what worked well and any issues that came up #* [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw2YgbWET_pgT_oUsampBL8O6osinnNW8 YouTube Playlist] # '''[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021 Community Wishlist Survey 2021]''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} #* The submission phase is now closed (30NOV) with 288 proposals #* The voting phase is coming up (08DEC – 21DEC) #* Any feedback is welcome, some things I found interesting that might be relevant to MWStake: #** [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Editing#Copy_and_paste_from_diffs Copy and paste from diffs] (Editing) #** [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Miscellaneous#Bring_back_PDF_book_rendering Bring back PDF book rendering] (Misc.) #** [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Multimedia_and_Commons#Support_360_photo_viewing Support 360 photo viewing] (Multimedia & Commons) #** [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Wikidata Section on Wikidata] # '''WMF Stable Interface Policy''' {{Agenda time|10 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} #* The email from WMF mentions MWStake #* https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-December/094086.html #* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268328 #* https://github.com/MWStake/nonwmf-extensions # '''Creating reusable MediaWiki products''' {{Agenda time|15 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Yaron}} #* Developing community driven MediaWiki products (ISO, CRM, BPM, etc.) that can be shared via [[MW:Extension:Page Exchange|Page Exchange]]/Docker # '''How to become a member''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} #* Information about how to become an MWStake member # '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}} ==Notes== # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda presenter|Gergo}} #* Proposal to make shelling out from MediaWiki containerizable: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260330 #* Firefox required version upped to 3.6: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262946 #* A bunch more requirement changes are being discussed: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T266866 #* RfC for a more formalized way to provide config snippets, mainly for testing: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267928 #* Old RfCs still being discussed: extension Composer compatibility, DB upgrade support for old versions #* Wikimedia Movement Strategy Global Conversations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Transition/Global_Conversations #* Dell (Caleb Cooper) discussed their use of Docker (related to [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260330 T260330]) # '''SMWCon''' {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} #* [https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon_Fall_2020 SMWCon Page] #* Many thanks to Bernhard Krabina, Richard Heigl, and others that put it together, it was a great success #* Some statistics: #** '''234''' - Registered #** '''92''' - Max concurrent at event #** '''74''' - Max concurrent during an individual session #* Not all the talks are out yet, but here is the [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw2YgbWET_pgT_oUsampBL8O6osinnNW8 YouTube playlist] #* Wikidata was a big topic during the conference with several topics devoted to it #* The [https://hopin.com/ hop.in] platform was very nice and added a lot of "conference like" features # '''Community Wishlist Survey 2021''' {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} #* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021 link to survey] # '''WMF Stable Interface Policy''' #* The email from WMF mentions MWStake #* https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-December/094086.html #* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268328 #* https://github.com/MWStake/nonwmf-extensions # '''Creating reusable MediaWiki products''' {{Agenda presenter|Yaron}} #* Yaron runs [https://wikiworks.com/ WikiWorks] a MW consulting company #* The goal of the reusable products is to increase MW usage #* Envisioned to be a Docker container that has MW + Extension (including [[MW:Extension:Page Exchange|Page Exchange]]) #* "Products" could be made up of packages of MW, extensions, and data structures. It could be useful to anyone starting up, consultants, and be FOSS or include proprietary elements #* {{Agenda presenter|Rich Evans}} I'm happy to donate Template/Forms/Properties #* {{Agenda presenter|Rich Evans}} I think the problem with page exchange for private enterprise sites that might use your data structures is the SSO issue #* {{Agenda presenter|Marcus}} I'm happy to contribute #* {{Agenda presenter|Alex}} I am just learning about docker and looking to use it for MediaWiki so I'll be interested in contributing #* A package manager could help # '''How to become a member''' {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} #* Brief mention that the "Become a member" feature is now live on the MWStake website # '''WikiConference North America (WCNA) {{Agenda presenter|Peter Meyer}} #* December 11th-13th #* If someone from MWStake could provide a write-up of what MWStake is all about, Peter will share #** Peter to contact Markus for write-up # '''Chat service recommendation''' #* From [www.volteurope.org Volt] (a new political movement) #* Looking for a Workplace alternative. I was curious about what the Wikimedia movement is using. I asked some questions and somebody referred me to the MediaWiki Stakeholders. I think Elements is very interesting. I was also curious if the Wikimedia community is also integrating something like Trello? I learned that the community uses Phabricator. We are looking for a very user friendly open source platform. #* There's a bunch of information about Matrix on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186061 #* There's also https://chat.wmcloud.org/ which is Mattermost #* The Wikimedia Foundation uses Slack internally #* Zulip is used for some engineering outreach, and Telegram is used mainly by Wikimedia user groups / chapters. #* Obviously there are IRC channels all around the place #* The Wikimedia movement hasn't really converged to a single chat solution yet #* The main differentiating factors for Matrix are federation and end-to-end encrypted group chats so it might depend on your situation how useful it is to you # '''Upgrading MW from 1.31 to 1.35''' #* It appears that Mediawiki 1.31.10 created an additional "slots" table. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212428. #* So we must create the new table manually before running the upgrade script. <code> php maintenance/populateContentTables.php</code> #* Strange that 1.31.10 created additional tables. I would think creating new tables (altering database) should only be done by a major version? #* See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212428 #* The general consensus is the the update scripts should catch this and create the necessary tables # '''Misc''' #* GitHub repo for [https://github.com/MWStake/nonwmf-extensions/ Non-WMF Extensions] ==Action board== {{Actionable board |Open |{{PAGENAME}} |MWStake |True |View |{{PAGENAME}} }}
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