https://mwstake.org/mwstake/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Bryandamon&feedformat=atom mwstake - User contributions [en] 2024-03-29T08:30:46Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.31.0 https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:195&diff=3310 Event:195 2024-02-03T03:58:40Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=Yes<br /> |start-date=2024/04/05<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2024/04/05<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |url=https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb<br /> }}<br /> ==Meeting agenda==<br /> # '''Wait for attendees &amp; chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}<br /> # '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}<br /> # '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Action board==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |Open<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:196&diff=3309 Event:196 2024-02-03T03:58:32Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=Yes<br /> |start-date=2024/05/03<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2024/05/03<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |url=https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb<br /> }}<br /> ==Meeting agenda==<br /> # '''Wait for attendees &amp; 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{{Agenda presenter|Mark}} Bryan to provide monthly pdf statements from BofA and Mark to provide monthly statements from Authorize.net<br /> # '''SMW Issues'''<br /> #* Marijn is working to make SMW compatible with the latest ElasticSearch<br /> #* There are other issues with SMW that need to be found/resolved<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:192&diff=3294 Event:192 2023-10-12T17:07:46Z <p>Bryandamon: Created page with &quot;{{Event |mwstake-meeting=No |title=Board Meeting |start-date=2023/10/12 |start-hour=15 |start-minute=30 |end-date=2023/10/12 |end-hour=16 |end-minute=00 |attendees=Bernhard Kr...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/10/12<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/10/12<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Mark Hershberger<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # <br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:186&diff=3293 Event:186 2023-10-06T20:21:42Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=Yes<br /> |start-date=2023/10/06<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/10/06<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |url=https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Brian Wolff, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Mark Hershberger, Rich Evans, Scott, Thomas O'Neill<br /> }}<br /> ==Meeting agenda==<br /> # '''Wait for attendees &amp; chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}<br /> # '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}<br /> # '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} '''Updates for SMWCon'''<br /> #* [https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon_Fall_2023 SMWCon Fall 2023]<br /> #* December 11 - 13, 2023, Paderborn, Germany<br /> # '''AI &amp; MediaWiki'''<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} '''WMF migrating from Gerrit to Gitlab'''<br /> # '''SMW Issues'''<br /> #* Large wikis having issues running maintenance scripts<br /> #* NASA having an issues with new page creation losing sub-objects (Doesn't seem related to the above issue)<br /> #** If the issue can be addressed, there is budget to fix<br /> <br /> ==Action board==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |Open<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:186&diff=3292 Event:186 2023-10-06T20:17:55Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=Yes<br /> |start-date=2023/10/06<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/10/06<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |url=https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Brian Wolff, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Mark Hershberger, Rich Evans, Scott, Thomas O'Neill<br /> }}<br /> ==Meeting agenda==<br /> # '''Wait for attendees &amp; chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}<br /> # '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}<br /> # '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Action board==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |Open<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event_talk:191&diff=3291 Event talk:191 2023-09-28T18:29:45Z <p>Bryandamon: Created page with &quot;'''Raw transcript:'''&lt;br&gt; '''Bernhard:''' Cindy Cindy. Did Cindy show? '''Cindy:''' Thank you. Sorry. '''Mark:''' Yeah, I can't see you all. I can only share my screen. Evi...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>'''Raw transcript:'''&lt;br&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Cindy Cindy. Did Cindy show?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Thank you. Sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah, I can't see you all. I can only share my screen. Evidently. So.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah. So is Cindy. Is that correct? That the agree on revised membership terms that here is that basically the screenshot you posted?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah, with any modifications that folks would like.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Are there any modifications that people think we need? I think we have quorum here. So I think we can do this.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Just<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' find. Thanks. Brenda.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Yeah, I'll paste it in the chat.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Oh, great!<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah. The last<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' numbers, right? So we're talking about the membership fees.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Also eliminating the<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' 8 h of work<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' right?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And also the number of the vote count<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and Brian wasn't said. It made a comment, saying he wasn't sure about the vote. Originally I had eliminated the number of votes and just made it. Everybody gets a vote.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' wait. The one I'm looking at now has vote weight at membership meetings right? And it if we have it in there, I think it should be<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' one, for if it's $500 for bronze for one vote, then it should. It's a silver to be 2 votes, not 5,<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' and that the corporate so you probably should should be<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' maybe 3 or so<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' before.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' but not $1010 is a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Hand votes is a lot. I agree. That felt. That's why I sort of eliminated it a bit initially.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' was, I don't really like giving any organization that much.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So okay, so with those modifications which which make complete sense to me is<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' a. so that'd be 1 1 to<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and 5<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' correct.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Is that right?<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' 1, 1, 2<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' for yeah. But from tied up.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So an individual is one. A bronze is one. a silver is 2, and a gold is 4, 5.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So 1, 1, 2, and 5.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And what about the other question? Is the number of discounted tickets for MW. State conferences.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Maybe also make it who went 5.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So 1, 1, 2, 5.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So really, just the 5 and 10 are becoming 2 and 5, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' And I mean, the question also is, if you really want to promise Logos at the conferences.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' because this is usually something that you pay extra as a as a conference sponsor. So it it kind of interferes a little bit. I mean, also the tickets interfere, but we can say we we had Mws take tickets already.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' But if now there's someone with a<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' already proms membership<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' that is not<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' being a conference sponsor, I still have to put up his logo. Hmm.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' yeah, that III liked that as well. Bernardo. I think that's a good point as well. So just make logo displayed on mwstake orgy and at MW. Stick conferences.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yes.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Okay. So if they want their logo at the conference, then they<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' we could say, a a gold member gets this.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' because, independently of sponsoring individual conferences.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' if you pay that much every year, you should have your logo on there. that that we could maybe promise, but no problems, and still I wouldn't do that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' if if we did that I might change it to 5, to 3 for the for gold, and leave everything else the same. But just change it to 3,000. Say, Hey for this extra?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Logos!<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' How many code members do we have one?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' that's Wikipedia. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Well, actually based upon the<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' the<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' invoices and the communication that Brian sent after the last meeting. The way I interpreted it was that<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' there was that<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Wikibase had a membership, and the Council of States had a membership. They both had gold memberships. They were actually 4 payments of 2,500,<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Umhm.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' so we never really resolved. You know<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' the details of that. So I think that for one year the Council of State had a gold membership.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and that for 3 years<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Wikibase solutions hadn't gold membership, but were refunding them the money for one of those years, and we'll refund them if<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' if they get charged again in January or February. So II think.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah, II think you're right, Cindy. I meant, you know, we talked afterwards. And I mentioned I was gonna go back and write up some stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' but I do think we need to clarify all of that, because that was not exactly my understanding of the whole thing.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I can see what you're saying about. You know as white white.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I'm sorry. Give me a second it was not my understanding.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' My understanding was<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Wiki. Eric, Eric! John thought he was<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' being charged every<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' for this other<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' organization.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and that's why he wanted the subscription stopped but you know, and II thought I thought he was saying that he was fine with Wiki Base still being a member. But you know II don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Cause we definitely and since we definitely have different understandings of that, what<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' with all agreed A, it might be good to. I guess. Ride it up. And<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' yeah, I still think that there's a lack of understanding there of exactly where we are and where we want to be<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' right? And and yeah, that that we should definitely write that down and come to an agreement. But that being that, that's a whole nother thing here, I wanna focus on the<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' but agree on revised membership terms.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' what<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' II think it's easiest. If we leave it. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know the way it is, and change the fives to 1 5, Sid Hughes, and the 10 s. To<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' tens to 5<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and that's and strike the at and at MW, so that's<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know, 2 changes there is, that is, is there any other changes that people want to make? Can I? Can I share my screen.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' sir? I'll stop that way. I can see you<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' if well, actually cannot share my screen, or there we go, share screen.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I would stop if it would let me. Now we don't know if it's gonna let me<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' one.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' This one.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Oh.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' wow!<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I see we was.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' We would still keep the the number of reduced of discounted tickets for the conferences. Is that true?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Can you see you can see that now?<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' What I have? No.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' are you not seeing me? Let me.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Rejoin, I'll be back.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' It's just not working right now. We see Mark's screen. Oh, still, really.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' that's weird. Oh, it says your screen is loading.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I would guess that Mark would need to stop sharing, maybe, but I'm trying to, but I can't. I thought I stopped him from sharing.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Wait! Hold on! Let me hit, stop, share, and see what happens.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Mark Hersburger has started screen sharing double click. Okay?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Oh, look, I'm gonna change it so that multiple participants can share simultaneously.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' What does that do?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Okay, can you see that now?<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' No.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' no.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' if you look at the participants, do you see me?<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Oh, now goes. Now we can see it.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Okay, cool. alright. So on the top is the old membership schedule.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and at the bottom is the new one.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Hmm.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' so the cost 100,000 501,000 3,000<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' vote wait at meetings, and the number of discounted tickets at MW. State Conferences is 1, 1, 2, 5<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' logo displayed on Mwfi mwsta.org, for all of the corporate members, and logo displayed at MW. State conferences for gold<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' sounds good for me.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and then I just have little things saying it's like in the past. We made people join with an individual membership and membership, but I don't think we were really enforcing that, anyways. And it's just confusing. So<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' and then the the corporate, maybe you guys already talked about it. But it changed from 2,500 to 3,000. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' for clarification. If the corporate does not have an individual assigned membership, I think we did that because we need a person like. For if, if, like corporate price, corporate has votes right? So who does vote? And we need to? Currently, we thought that the individual that is associated with the corporate<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' is the one present voting if we don't require this, we need some<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' nominee. From the corporation, right?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah. I guess we would want them to say who the voters are?<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Yeah, so I would.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' And actually, oh, that's an interesting thing are you talking about<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' if if we have 5 votes. Is that 5 people who can vote differently? Or is it one person, and whose vote counts 5 times? Because that's a difference.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' And I think we were saying basically the it was one person who has a waited vote. But I think I think right now the way the code is written. They do have to have individual membership. I think.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Umhm.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' the way the code is written. what cause<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the code for signing up?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Oh, like, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So there would be one individual member.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' right?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And they're<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' so if they had a corporate gold membership, their vote would actually have of weight of 6<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' like.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yes, that's interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' The the things you, the things you think about, since we have never actually held a vote. Vote.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Right? Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I'm fine. I'm fine with getting rid of the caveat and saying that they need to have an individual membership. Plus why, why do they? I mean, did you just have to nominate a person, and the person can show up at a meeting, or can you know.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' in written give us the the votes, and then it's done, and if if the person happens to be individual member, it's fine, but if not, then not, I don't get why we have to<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' have an individual member.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Well, right now, it's because of the way the code is written.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' cold as law.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yes, cut that. I was thinking that myself. Code is law.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Is it hard to change this. Yeah, probably.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Well, I mean, there's 2 things about it. One, you know. It doesn't need to be change that way. But there's a cost probably to change it.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Yeah, yeah. But then, but then, yeah, in the table, it it should say from the bronze membership on that<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' one individual membership is included.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Maybe we can do it like this at the bottom, really. But<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' no, I would actually say, an individual membership is $100. Okay, that's fine. If you're a private person. If you have the Browser membership, you'll pay 501 individual is included.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' But that's gonna change.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' But yes.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' okay.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' And with with silver. We could also say, 2 are coated and with gold panel 3 individual memberships.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I think it's getting complicated, like<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' if you say that each each.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' each vote has to be need for an individual member, and you have to have as many members as you have votes, or is that not the case.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' No, we're just need one. I,<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' not individual.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Okay. So then we we we can. We could just say that<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' for the corporate memberships, one individual is included.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So I<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' hmm<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' by the way, one question like, if the process can we, as a board change to buy it? Or also do we need buy in from the General Assembly here?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Is this a change in the laptop?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I thought we were looking at it last time we saw that it's like<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' The bylaws say that we have to have a membership structure, but not that it's actually defined in the bylaws, but I could be wrong.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' but that's good. If it's not part of the bylaws, that means how long it's super. We can change it as a border.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah, but don't. Don't quote me on that. I'm not 100% sure. That's just was my understanding of the license.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' I don't quote you. But you, Hendrick modding<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' shoot.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' And wha why did we change goal to 3,000? Because it's now<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' kind of odd.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' because if I buy a bronze<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' membership I get one vote.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So then, for gold, I have to get 6,<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' or I get you also get for gold. You also get your logo displayed at conferences. Yes, that's true, but that's just an additional benefit to make people go to gold.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So II would I would do 2,500. That's because that's the price it was before.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' And this is just an additional benefit, so that we get more call members.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' because otherwise it's kinda I think the the voting wage should should be linear.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Well, the vote, the voting rate is linear, but the the anyway<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I linear according to price, I see what you're saying.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know, that was your son.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' if I'm the only person who's really<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' thinks that. So you know, that's fine.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' is, does everyone else more comfortable with 2,500 keeping it that way. Based upon what? Bernard said.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' yeah, yeah, I'm fine. II don't really care<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' 20 there, change it back. We're that was easy.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I think I think once we have okay.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So it's necessary to purchase an individual membership in addition to a corporate membership.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' No, III would actually draw another line to make it look more what you get<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' and and and say individual memberships included, and then in bronze, I would say one.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I would say 200. I don't know 3,<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' not more than 3 people of her company will be members, but<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' or something like that, or or at least that in every<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' company membership there is one individual included that is, the person who will be heftawing rights of something like that<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' with, including the individual membership, except for the fact that Mark says that the code change that's gonna cost us money.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Okay, so we we have to keep that it it that way that we have to find individual first, and then you can upgrade it to Company one.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah. I think I think for this vote. I think we should leave that the way it is. And if we want to change that, if we're all agreed on changing that, then we need. That's a you know, that's<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' that's another. That's more than just voting, basically<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' is what I'm so I mean, it's something we could do. But I think that right? Now, I wanna focus on the keeping. The changes is<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' more as part.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' are simple is possible, not minimal simple<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' as simple as possible.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So and actually, this is, this is right. At time I have to go.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' so hey? But before we before we close.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' can we vote on this and say we've agreed on the revised terms.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Is everyone agreed with that? I mean, this is a good place to vote.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I just added one sentence, that individual will vote for themselves as well as their organization.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yes, that that makes sense. Okay, cool.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' lex I, you're you're okay. II<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' does this mean, if I get a bronze? Do I have them 2 ways or one.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' your individual, one plus your corporate one. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah. And and we can clarify that as well, so okay, II do have to go. But<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' II I'm glad we got this one item checked off the thing since we're taking or<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' who's gonna who's gonna update the site with this?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I can do it if you wanna just can you just email me that or the link to that. Can I just share this doc with you at the Google, Doc with you?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Sure.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Okay, alright. So the only other thing we have to talk about is the next meeting. Next meeting is next week, I believe, so we can go through. Let's try to get these things knocked<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' this this month. and it looks like it's taking us half an hour to do one. So<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Brian, do you do you have a minute? Or the others, Smwcom?<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Bye, because I have a question regarding smw com. I mean, I don't really have a budget yet, but there's one sponsor. Rtxl.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' so the question is now.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' should and MW. Stake issue. A bill for rgxl! 4,000<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' dollars, probably.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' and they would pay pay dollars. But I have to. I mean we have to cover expenses, and we don't have the credit part of Mws. Take groups, so I will probably do that.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Have to do that by myself, and then get refunded? Or wouldn't it be the better opportunity.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' maybe, that I build Archie excel in Euros. and we then. you know, have this all sorted out, and any excess amount of that I will transfer to MW. State, or something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' because otherwise we have this 0 and dollar problem. You know European company paying to MW. Stake.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' But I need to pay in euros for the food or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' And<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' so this is, yeah. This is the main question, I think, last year, the way it was done Eric Yan had, I think, access to the credit card or so, so<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I don't know exactly how they did it. But<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' yeah, we yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' he had access to a credit card, and we can try to do that again. I mean.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' it's probably it might be too late to try to get you know, credit card issued to you. But we could me and you could work together<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' where I can just give you the credit card details to put in.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' My, you know my credit card details to put in<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' but, as far as you know you handling it, if you if you wanna handle something where you take, you know, monies and euros. and then, you know, come up with a spreadsheet, and then just say, Okay, you know, MW. State needs to do this or that, and then, you know, this money goes from.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' you know, account that you have 2 Mws taking the end, or whatever I mean. That seems reasonable to me.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' because that that would probably make it easier if if I just issue a bill<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' from from me personally to rgxl. And then.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' you know, if I have, if I have something to pay, are we paid? And then<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' the profit for the profit you will. Mtv. Will issue me a bill that I don't pay.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' so I think this is easier than you know to<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' doing it the other way around.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' I don't have a problem with it, Marcus or Lex. Do you have any concerns or thoughts?<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Makes it easier? I<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I mean, the the thing is, how would you charge them? You do the daily us dollar to euro rate and then charge them based on that day. Great.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I mean, as long as it's transparent. I think it's it's good.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Yeah. So I was saying about a spreadsheet. I mean, I think ideally, we have some transparency, but otherwise I'm fine with it.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' alright. So I also have to leave. I hope to get more sponsors. By the way, Marcus.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I know. Yeah, we it's on Richie's table. He's our sponsorship person. II know he's aware he's aware of your request, and whatever<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' he does there?<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Okay? Alright, bye, you people bye.</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:191&diff=3290 Event:191 2023-09-28T16:34:52Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/09/28<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/09/28<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''New MWStake Membership benefits'''<br /> #* Vote on Cindy's updated [[Bylaws/Dues|membership benefits]]<br /> #** All approved<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} to update the page ([[Bylaws/Dues|membership benefits]])<br /> # '''SMWCon Finances'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} Can we (the organizers of this years SMWCon) bill ArchiXL for SMWCon sponsorship directly to keep it in Euros and settle with MWStake at the end vs. trying to go use USD?<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} As long as there's a spreadsheet showing the accounting, that seems fine<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Markus}} As long as it's transparent, it's sounds appropriate<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:191&diff=3289 Event:191 2023-09-28T16:30:39Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/09/28<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/09/28<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''New MWStake Membership benefits'''<br /> #* Vote on Cindy's updated [[Bylaws/Dues|membership benefits]]<br /> #** All approved<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} to update the page ([[Bylaws/Dues|membership benefits]])<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Bylaws/Dues&diff=3288 Bylaws/Dues 2023-09-28T16:26:23Z <p>Bryandamon: Updated per board meeting Event:191</p> <hr /> <div>The following '''Membership Dues Schedule''' represents the [[Bylaws#Ordinary Members|Individual/Ordinary]] and [[Bylaws#Corporate Members|Corporate]] membership dues.<br /> <br /> &lt;section begin=table /&gt;<br /> {| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center; margin-left:10em;&quot;<br /> |+ Membership Dues Schedule<br /> |-<br /> !rowspan=2|<br /> !rowspan=2 valign=bottom|Individual<br /> !colspan=&quot;4&quot;| Corporate&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:normal; vertical-align: super; font-size:x-small;&quot;&gt;†&lt;/span&gt;<br /> |-<br /> !Bronze<br /> !Silver<br /> !Gold<br /> |-<br /> !{{Font color|green|Yearly cost ($USD)}}<br /> |{{Font color|green|$100}}<br /> |{{Font color|green|$500}}<br /> |{{Font color|green|$1,000}}<br /> |{{Font color|green|$2,500}}<br /> |-<br /> !MEMBERSHIP BENEFITS<br /> !colspan=4|<br /> |-<br /> |align =right|Vote weight at membership meetings<br /> |1<br /> |1<br /> |2<br /> |5<br /> |-<br /> |align=right|Discounted tickets per MWStake conference ([https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon SMWCon] &amp; [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/EMWCon EMWCon])<br /> |1<br /> |1<br /> |2<br /> |5<br /> |-<br /> |align=right|Logo displayed on [[Sponsors|mwstake.org]]<br /> |<br /> |{{aye}}<br /> |{{aye}}<br /> |{{aye}}<br /> |-<br /> <br /> |-<br /> |align=right|Logo displayed at MWStake conferences ([https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon SMWCon] &amp; [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/EMWCon EMWCon])<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |{{aye}}<br /> <br /> |}<br /> {| style=&quot;margin-left:10em;&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;vertical-align:top;&quot;<br /> |†<br /> |It is necessary to purchase an individual membership in addition to a corporate membership.&lt;br&gt;That individual will vote for themselves as well as their organization.<br /> |}&lt;section end=table /&gt;</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:191&diff=3287 Event:191 2023-09-28T16:25:57Z <p>Bryandamon: Created page with &quot;{{Event |mwstake-meeting=No |title=Board Meeting |start-date=2023/09/28 |start-hour=15 |start-minute=30 |end-date=2023/09/28 |end-hour=16 |end-minute=00 |attendees=Bernhard Kr...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/09/28<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/09/28<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''Topic'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|XXX}} <br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Bylaws/Dues&diff=3286 Bylaws/Dues 2023-09-14T16:10:03Z <p>Bryandamon: From Board Meeting (14SEP23) vote, guaranteed projects removed.</p> <hr /> <div>The following '''Membership Dues Schedule''' represents the [[Bylaws#Ordinary Members|Individual/Ordinary]] and [[Bylaws#Corporate Members|Corporate]] membership dues.<br /> <br /> &lt;section begin=table /&gt;<br /> {| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center; margin-left:10em;&quot;<br /> |+ Membership Dues Schedule<br /> |-<br /> !rowspan=2|<br /> !rowspan=2 valign=bottom|Individual<br /> !colspan=&quot;4&quot;| Corporate&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:normal; vertical-align: super; font-size:x-small;&quot;&gt;†&lt;/span&gt;<br /> |-<br /> !Bronze<br /> !Silver<br /> !Gold<br /> !Platinum&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:normal; vertical-align: super; font-size:x-small;&quot;&gt;††&lt;/span&gt;<br /> |-<br /> !{{Font color|green|Yearly cost ($USD)}}<br /> |{{Font color|green|$100}}<br /> |{{Font color|green|$250}}<br /> |{{Font color|green|$1,000}}<br /> |{{Font color|green|$2,500}}<br /> |{{Font color|green|$5,000}}<br /> |-<br /> !MEMBERSHIP BENEFITS<br /> !colspan=5|<br /> |-<br /> |align =right|Votes&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:normal; vertical-align: super; font-size:x-small;&quot;&gt;†††&lt;/span&gt;<br /> |1<br /> |10<br /> |25<br /> |40<br /> |50<br /> |-<br /> |align=right|Discounted mwstake conference registration&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:normal; 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chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}<br /> # '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}<br /> # '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}} We should create specific pages for different stakeholder<br /> #* For example:<br /> #*# Private Industry<br /> #*# Federal Governement<br /> #*# Video Games<br /> #*# Education<br /> #*# Non-profit<br /> #*# etc.<br /> #* Include an annual newsletter with updates and information related to each type of stakeholder<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}} Talked about Open Source @ NASA and the DoD<br /> #* [https://dodcio.defense.gov/open-source-software-faq/ DoD Open Source Software FAQ]<br /> <br /> ==Action board==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |Open<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:180&diff=3280 Event:180 2023-09-03T20:15:21Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=Yes<br /> |start-date=2023/09/01<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/09/01<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |url=https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb<br /> |attendees=Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Rich Evans, Scott<br /> }}<br /> ==Meeting agenda==<br /> # '''Wait for attendees &amp; 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'''Mark:''' so '''Mark:''' let's see. '''Mark:''' I'm sorry I I got so carried away with all the chatter here I forgot to pull up...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>'''Raw transcript:'''<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Got it.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' so<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' let's see.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I'm sorry I I got so carried away with all the chatter here I forgot to pull up my notes.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Cindy, you had something you wanted to discuss first, so why don't we start with that?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Oh, sure! So I added in the cabal channel. a note. It looks like a holy mark is. Read it so far. so I was at an event locally a couple of nights ago, and met with<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Peter Meyer, who's the president of Book of Media, DC. Who, I think most of you probably have met at one time or another<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and apparently Wikipedia, DC. Got a grant from the foundation<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' to investigate creating what they call a North American hub. and they've got an advisory board for that<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' that they are looking for the additional members? and basically, it's just a<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' folks in North America who to advise<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' for the idea of having a this North American group. that other that that Wikimedia affiliates.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' such as the Wik Media Stakeholder group, could join to get sort of economies of scale and benefit from each other's advice and stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So they are looking for somebody and of the people on that call this call. I guess that would be<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Mark Brian myself North American to participate in this advisory<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' for.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' hey? Yeah. Just noticing. This is half Europe and half half of North America. And if we had 2 other people here it would be majority Europe.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Europe. Right? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So anyway, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' It is pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' In this case it limits participation in this thing.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I I I think that that's a good idea that we should be a part of that I do do. Our<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' European colleagues have anything about that. Is this similar to Wikipedia, Europe.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' or<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I do not know. But I mentioned to Peter that I didn't even know what could be the Europe was a thing until I saw got mentioned on one of the mailing lists. I guess last week.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So so I sort of asked the same question. But then we sort of went off in another direction. I actually got an answer.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So yeah, let's let's ask the other, the European half here. What do you all think about this?<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I think this is which is great, and and as far as I know, Wiki Media, Europe is something quite new.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' is it? Okay? That is why I had.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' But I don't really know much about it.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' No.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' maybe maybe the whole North America, we Media, North America or Wikipedia, America, whichever it is. And we can media Europe or a similar. You know, they're starting from a similar place then. So<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' anyway.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' so maybe they need a devicery group. And maybe they need somebody from the stakeholders.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah. So I I I think it would be interesting to reach out to both of them. Actually so, especially if they're just if they're both new or just starting out.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Hey, Lex?<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' Good to see you. Sorry I was. I'm on my bike.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' That's why.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' all right.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah, how come we? I I'm disappointed. We didn't have any meetings with Adam sailing. That would have been<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' yes. Well, no, we should have we. He would have brought us all along.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah. The okay. So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I want to<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' briefly touch on these other things. But I think the main thing I need to talk about are the I want to get really nailed down is, I think we need to update our obligations that we have. And we need to, really, you know, have a discussion about those agreed to what those are. Oh, hey, Marcus.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' can I ask you one question before we do that? Did we ever resolve the previous topic like,<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' the one about Wikimedia, North America. So yeah, I can tell Peter. Yes, we will participate.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' But we don't know who yet.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I I think it's good. What do you all think thumbs up. Oh, Marcus, just so, you know<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Cindy was talking with.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' it's it's in the chat, the cabal chat. You can read it.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah. So thumbs up thumbs down You can't see my phone.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' My thumb is up.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Okay, cool.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And then I guess Mark Brian and I need to figure out, who's going to be the person?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' okay. So yeah, that I I just assume that we all thought like I did, and just proceeded.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' anyway. shouldn't think that way. But<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I wanted to discuss these obligations. Since it's been a recurring thing. You know. What what are the obligations we have. We need to have these written down and agree to any changes. I think there should be changes.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I'm not sure everyone agrees to that.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and I think we need to agree if those changes happen what they are.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and then we need to communicate those to<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' mute members.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Adam, just to bring you up to date a little. We have been discussing what our obligations are to people who pay<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' membership fees.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' And and<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah, you is it is that. The<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I'm sorry there's chat going on, and I'm missing it.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah. So it it's<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' obligations we have. We talk about. You know. We'll give you so many hours, basically of consulting for<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' if you if you join, and what we've<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' up till now, there's kind of been an understood to be, you know, on a per<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' client basis. Sort of thing that you know. If<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Wiki base donates $10,000 they get X amount of hours and targeted towards Wiki Base.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and what<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I think we've been talking about where I've been trying to lead us. or you know not me. But I<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' where we've been trying to go, I think, is to say, Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' we're gonna change what we're doing. We're we're working on<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' promoting media Wiki.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and we're working on developing tools and media wiki that everyone can use. And they're not just targeted at a specific<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' person. I I think that summarizes the thinking of where I was thinking we were going.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' what? What?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' What do you think? I I know that wasn't necessarily what other people were thinking, but what?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Just open that up. What do you all think about?<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yeah. So there's there's applications from the past, I would say. and this application that we would that we would like to shape for the future right?<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' And we've been discussing<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' current application so and there are. Some of these have been<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' are now in the on the fabricator board<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' there for tests there.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' And I would say they call for action right? They call for execution.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' because this is our heritage from the past.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' so we can discuss anything for the future. But<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' those 4 obligations have to do with promises to<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' current or even past sponsors.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So what you're talking about, though, is the things under the sponsor obligation.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' And those things are<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah, that that's something that I think continues. Anyway, you know, communicate with current users and current members.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Review status of members.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' renew memberships.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' specifying and create member management interface. That is.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' that is not really the what I mean. Those are things we need to do. And I think those continue to be things we need to do, whether we change what our obligations are or not.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yes, our<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' co-codified not change. I want to be clear here. I don't think we're changing it. I wouldn't. I want to frame it, as we're codifying exactly what the what the obligations are, but the the things they're listed here in sponsor obligations. That is not. Those are just operational things. Yes, and and they find that they they they come from. Let's say, 21 or 2020, 21 or 22. Right? These are<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' really application we have to look into. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' So so look into, I would say, we have to execute, not because we. So we we we should come to that. Come to, let's say, come to a decision and and and start executing it.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So for the things in the sponsor Obligations column there, I would say that those<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' are things that we just need to.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' we just need to<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' delegate tasks basically. And<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' so<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I I guess since yeah, that that's good, we need to focus on what our. you know, maintaining the organization. What Communicate with current members? Let's look at that one real quick<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' inform current members<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' selected test and tasks executed, related to granted funding.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So that's basically writing a report. it is, is, that is, am I right? That you know.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yeah, if if if you can write a report on what we have done as far as promises. So coming from the the by, the the using and the bylaws what we have done. If if you could make a report that that would be great.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' But this assumes that we exactly know what our current members have been over the over the last few years. So step one is to identify current and past members.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Okay, well, I was. I was, you're right. Ha! But I was going down the column there as I saw it so<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the, I guess they were out of order in that sense.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' But if we can return to this, communicate with current members. I think that the the report that Marcus wrote covers that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the yearly report<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I would, I would agree to a certain extent at least<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' a certain extent. I I think it's a good start. Put it that way. Yeah, it it. It could be more detailed on what we actually did. in in particular, I think. What we do is we refer to extensions we maintain, which is mostly<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' are the extensions that are created in the<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' surroundings of MW. Sake or extensions we took over as a Maintainer. and we could, I mean that would be an an easy one to make that more explicit right to. I think it's it's about<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' 30 years so extension. So even more we could highlight them a little bit better. Currently, I just put a list to a category.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' send me it. Look like you have something to say.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah. And I guess this sort of gets to the the other task the ones below it. And but<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' in order to determine whether we are are satisfying sponsor obligations. We need to know<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' which members joined<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' with<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' that category. You know the level of membership that they were owed some number of hours of work.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' We need to know.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know. Yeah. So which ones for each one, how many hours of work were they?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Ode?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And then we need to know, did we satisfy that obligation<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' through the work that we.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' as a as a board and as a as a community, have done in.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' in each of the subsequent years that they have become in in the periods of their membership.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' and I think the things that we talked about that<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' We discussed<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and we went back and forth. We. The conversation we had in the last board meeting was a little bit confusing, because we were talking about. Actually. you know, a specific work for a specific sponsor again. But what we had discussed at a previous meeting.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' the fact that we felt that the work that we did<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' in organizing the Em. W. Kon and S. And W. Conferences, as well as the work that shows up.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know, working on extensions.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' that we feel that that satisfies the obligation. But we need that list. We need the list of of<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' who this? Who the members who sponsoring organizations are, how much time each one was a, and whether we feel that we have satisfied that obligation or not. And then the next thing once we have done that, and you know we can submit to them whatever report<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' documenting that<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' But then I would encourage us to go back to our formulation of this plan and be more specific about what we are promising people.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I've never felt<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' completely comfortable with the promises that we are making there, and<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know, so you know, we could go anywhere from<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' saying we are no longer going to guarantee that if somebody joins at a particular level that we're going to do work for them. Or we need to be more specific about what satisfies that obligation. And we need to have better accounting practices about tracking the work.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' if we're going to continue doing it the way we want to, that we, if we're going to continue doing it the way that we've been doing. I think we absolutely need to remove that as a benefit folks get, because I I don't feel comfortable.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' sure. So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' so what I I think the first thing here, then, is, you know, figure out who we need to communicate with exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I think<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I think, Eric, you have access to the the<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' that information, Brian, you do as well. Is that right?<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' I I do not have. If you mean like bank in for bank information. I do not have access to our banking account.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Thank you for America.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' No, that's why I mentioned Brian, because I know Brian has that access.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and I think.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' if if nothing else, I can certainly look over the regular.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Who<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' who we've charged on authorized.net and get a report of that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and share that with you guys. Is that so? Do you think, Brian and Eric, do you think that you could come up with the since? That's the first thing is, who are we communicating with?<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' yeah. Author of that could be a source. I I would prefer to get, for example, a a list of transactions on our bank of America account.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Usually all payments. all receivables<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' end up on our bank account usually. So if you could make a an export of our transactions of the bank account.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' I'd be most willing to to go through to go through all these transactions and come up with a list of past and current sponsors.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Okay, so that's that is sorry as it members, right as it members. Yes, right? Right?<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' But I don't know if the Bank of America, if if the banking system of Bank of America offers this<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' this feature to make an export of transactions, I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' it does it just there's no way to really know what it is. So you have to.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' You have to figure it out to authorize. Yeah, that will take some time. Right? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' we'd have to go back to something like 2020, right? Yeah, or even yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' 2028, 1820, 1829.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So. I guess I can work with Brian to do that to get that report together. And then Eric, if you could. Oh.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know, help us get the list of people. So that's the first I thought we had. We had solved the issue of making sure that our treasurer actually had access to our bank account.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' We didn't. We didn't succeed in the. So it's this,<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' I have to to go. I have to go to the Us. Embassy<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' to to to register.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' As the beginning of the process. That bank of America says, okay, we are going to grant access to this year. European European mail in the bank account of the Us.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' The foundation.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' So this is a let's say what we call a monster right<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' unless you live next door to the Embassy. It's a monster.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah. you know, if you are Julian Assange, you would be living in the Embassy. Well, not the Us. One, anyway.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' okay. So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the next. Okay. So the first part is getting that list. The second part is, you know, codifying this which is kind of where you ended up, Cindy, which is where I started is, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' laying out what our obligations are. and I I'm sorry. That's not the second part, then it's the third part. The second part, then, is writing this<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' report of what we've been doing<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and we start with Marcus's<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' work. the the report that Marcus wrote So I I think that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' to help produce a better report there, we need to.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know. Look at the extensions and the other work that we have that is, that should be reported, and gather that together.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Who who should we put? Who who wants to gather that information<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' is that something that you can continue to do, Marcus? Or is there? Is that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' something else we need to?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Okay. So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' all right.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' so Marcus, if if you could.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I I don't know if if<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' is there work that for example, Bernard is there work? I I I don't believe you're a developer, right? But if there's a if there's work on Wiki that you could share, or you have shared with others. That is, there. Is there things that you've done, for example, that we could put in this?<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Yes, I mean co organizing the last 3.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Let's see how you comes.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I did that. I would argue I did that. as a<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' member of the of of of the Medieval Stakeholders board.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah, that definitely definitely I and I would. I was talking more, you know, on Wiki technical, you know. I don't know templates and stuff like that that maybe you had shared out or something, and and we are reaching the end of the meeting, the the scheduled time for the meeting here. So I want to recognize that But<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' right now what we have the the things we have are. I'll work with<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Brian to get together. A list of transactions will will. Well. I guess we'll give this big data dump to Eric, and<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Eric's gonna do his financial genius stuff on it and sort it out<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and then give us a list of<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' people, and as a result we'll work with Marcus and have the.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know, a list of. I guess, deliverable<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' to make it simple is this is what we've been doing. And then after that, we'll we'll work on codifying it for the next part. So okay, does this sound? Does it sound like we have clear steps here for what we're gonna do?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' The only thing we don't have is a deadline.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I good. You're right. A deadline. Deadlines are great.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' let's say a month.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' because it is a month too much time. Or is it enough.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Eric? I'm specifically asking you if if you have a second here before you have to go<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' 2 weeks after a section of the doc makes sense. Yes.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So okay, so that's<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' all right. I think we have something something good. Oh, yeah. And I did want to cover the quickly the update about Sm, that was on the agenda. But I wanted to make sure we focused on this other stuff. So thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And is it going to be called smw, com?<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Are we allowed to call it immediately. Come.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' not media wiki con because that would take extra But maybe we could do media Wiki community conference.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' so we can talk about.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Maybe that's next time.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' I have to go. Now. I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' Yeah, I'll talk you all later on. Thanks a lot. It was good to see you at it next. Next we have a minute. And I have one. Yeah, exactly. That's why I can. Can. We stay on<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' coroner? And I,<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' yeah, it's it's going to go on. If I leave no problem.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' Alright, I can make one of these.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' you don't have to go. No, but my main question.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' okay. is M. Dot.</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:185&diff=3275 Event:185 2023-07-20T16:47:31Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/07/20<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/20<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser, Adam Shoreland<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''Advisory Committee for Wikimedia DC'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} I spoke with Peter Meyer, president of Wikimedia DC. He has a request: &quot;https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/North_American_Hub_Research_Project We invite a Stakeholder board member or event organizer – someone with meaningful experience in the movement – to join this listed Advisory Committee. We who are doing the project will be reporting in to the Advisory Committee, getting advice, and Advisory Committee members may be asked afterward if we did a good/complete job. The project per se is to gather information from (a) other affiliates, (b) other nonprofits, and (c) North American Wikimedians to develop ideas and maybe consensus about how these affiliates might work together efficiently or reshape themselves. It’s interesting and friendly; nothing difficult. No need to read a hundred pages to prepare or anything like that.&quot;<br /> #* A vote was taken on whether we should commit a MWStake Board member<br /> #** [[File:Green check.svg|17px|link=]] - Unanimous Yes<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} There is an upcoming [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiCon_2023 WikiCon 2023]<br /> #** That is the German language wiki community<br /> #** I know Claudia Garad personally, so if we want to reach out to WM Europe, I can do that, also the WikiCon 2023 is going to be Held in Linz/Austria and I will support them.<br /> #* There is an upcoming [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Europe Wikimedia Europe]<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} Need to discuss with the North American Board Members (Mark, Cindy, &amp; Bryan)<br /> # '''Obligations to Members'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} We should review the [https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Bylaws/Dues Membership Benefits] to align with what we are capable of providing<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Eric-Jan}} We might have obligations to members to fulfill previous promises (see [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/1071/?order=created Phabricator])<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} We should check to understand if we already fulfilled any of these obligations via conference organizations, extension maintenance, etc.<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Markus}} to create a report of what we have done.<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} We need to remove the obligations from the [https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Bylaws/Dues Membership Benefits]<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} &amp; {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} To create a export of the credits to the BofA account and export from Authorize.net<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Eric-Jan}} To determine members to notify based on their current Member Benefits<br /> # '''SMWCon 2023'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} The conference will be December 11-13 in Paderborn, Germany<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} Can we use MediaWikiCon?<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} Not yet, we could do MediaWikiComCon (MediaWiki Community Conference)<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:185&diff=3274 Event:185 2023-07-20T16:34:00Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/07/20<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/20<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser, Adam Shoreland<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''Advisory Committee for Wikimedia DC'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} I spoke with Peter Meyer, president of Wikimedia DC. He has a request: &quot;https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/North_American_Hub_Research_Project We invite a Stakeholder board member or event organizer – someone with meaningful experience in the movement – to join this listed Advisory Committee. We who are doing the project will be reporting in to the Advisory Committee, getting advice, and Advisory Committee members may be asked afterward if we did a good/complete job. The project per se is to gather information from (a) other affiliates, (b) other nonprofits, and (c) North American Wikimedians to develop ideas and maybe consensus about how these affiliates might work together efficiently or reshape themselves. It’s interesting and friendly; nothing difficult. No need to read a hundred pages to prepare or anything like that.&quot;<br /> #* A vote was taken on whether we should commit a MWStake Board member<br /> #** [[File:Green check.svg|17px|link=]] - Unanimous Yes<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} There is an upcoming [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiCon_2023 WikiCon 2023]<br /> #** That is the German language wiki community<br /> #** I know Claudia Garad personally, so if we want to reach out to WM Europe, I can do that, also the WikiCon 2023 is going to be Held in Linz/Austria and I will support them.<br /> #* There is an upcoming [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Europe Wikimedia Europe]<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} Need to discuss with the North American Board Members (Mark, Cindy, &amp; Bryan)<br /> # '''Obligations to Members'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} We should review the [https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Bylaws/Dues Membership Benefits] to align with what we are capable of providing<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Eric-Jan}} We might have obligations to members to fulfill previous promises (see [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/1071/?order=created Phabricator])<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} We should check to understand if we already fulfilled any of these obligations via conference organizations, extension maintenance, etc.<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Markus}} to create a report of what we have done.<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} We need to remove the obligations from the [https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Bylaws/Dues Membership Benefits]<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} To create a export of the credits to the BofA account<br /> # '''SMWCon 2023'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} The conference will be December 11-13 in Paderborn, Germany<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} Can we use MediaWikiCon?<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} Not yet, we could do MediaWikiComCon (MediaWiki Community Conference)<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:185&diff=3273 Event:185 2023-07-20T15:52:57Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Links */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/07/20<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/20<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser, Adam Shoreland<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''Topic'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Speaker}}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Links===<br /> * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Europe<br /> * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/1071/?order=created<br /> * https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiCon_2023<br /> ** That is the German language wiki community<br /> ** (Bernhard) I know Claudia Garad personally, so if we want to reach out to WM Europe, I can do that, also the WikiCon 2023 is going to be Held in Linz/Austria and I will support them.<br /> * https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Bylaws/Dues<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:185&diff=3272 Event:185 2023-07-20T15:50:33Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/07/20<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/20<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser, Adam Shoreland<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''Topic'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Speaker}}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Links===<br /> * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Europe<br /> * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/1071/?order=created<br /> * https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiCon_2023<br /> ** That is the German language wiki community<br /> ** (Bernhard) I know Claudia Garad personally, so if we want to reach out to WM Europe, I can do that, also the WikiCon 2023 is going to be Held in Linz/Austria and I will support them.<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:185&diff=3271 Event:185 2023-07-20T15:44:51Z <p>Bryandamon: Created page with &quot;{{Event |mwstake-meeting=No |title=Board Meeting |start-date=2023/07/20 |start-hour=15 |start-minute=30 |end-date=2023/07/20 |end-hour=16 |end-minute=00 |attendees=Bernhard Kr...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/07/20<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/20<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser, Adam Shoreland<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''Topic'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Speaker}} <br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:175&diff=3270 Event:175 2023-07-10T17:24:45Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=Yes<br /> |start-date=2023/07/07<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/07<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |url=https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Gergő Tisza, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Rich Evans, Thomas O'Neill, Thomas Topway, Vincent Brooks, Yaron Koren<br /> }}<br /> ==Meeting agenda==<br /> # '''Wait for attendees &amp; chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}<br /> # '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}<br /> # '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Gergo}} '''MediaWiki News'''<br /> #* Notes: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2023-07<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}} '''Comment Streams, Flow, &amp; Other Messaging systems'''<br /> #* I love &amp; use Comment Streams<br /> #* The main use is for OSHA compliance for Hazardous Materials<br /> #* What does everyone else use?<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} '''Reorg @ WMF'''<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} '''MW Conference Name'''<br /> #* i.e. Semantic MediaWiki Conference (SMWCon) and Enterprise MediaWiki Conference (EMWCon) merging to the same name<br /> #* MediaWiki Conference (MWCon) would be ideal, any update there?<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} There is some reservation coming from the WMF regarding confusion about the name or obligation from the WMF<br /> #* Another option is MediaWiki Community Conference (MWComCon)<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Chat===<br /> # Gergő: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2023-07<br /> # Bernhard: there is WikiForum: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiForum<br /> # Thomas: if any of these extension can also be queried showing comments at the footer of an article would be great<br /> # Rich: I just have a small update to share that:<br /> ## Meza is updated to deploy 35.x on Rocky Linux 8 (community edition of RHEL8) special thanks to WIkiTeq and Brian Wolff specifically.. and<br /> ## We (NASA) have just exercised our first commercial support mechanism (woo-hoo!) .. it was just a small CC procurement for a tiny bit of support from WikiTeq, but it went really well (see #1 above) &amp; we are already looking to do it again. NASA GRC-ATF will soon be soliciting quotes for annual maintenance of meza<br /> # Thomas: this was mentioned by Mark https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Comments<br /> # Cindy: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CommentStreams<br /> # Thomas: or just a button &quot;load more&quot;<br /> # Gergő: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools<br /> # Bernhard: https://eventyay.com/<br /> # Rich: Option for conferences<br /> #* Ref: https://getindico.io/<br /> # Bernhard: yes, MediaWikiCon!<br /> # Vincent: concur with MWCon<br /> # Rich: I said yes regarding hosting EMWCon 2024 in Sandusky, but it occurs to me that there was another gentleman at EMWCon 2023 in Austin who was eager to host as well and I thought it was wise to defer to him and keep Sandusky as an option for a year we don't have other options for.<br /> #* MWCon! (y)<br /> # Thomas: @cindy good point to involve a larger audience<br /> # Mark: I kinda love &quot;community&quot;<br /> # Bernhard: still &quot;MediaWiki Community Conference&quot; involves &quot;MediaWiki&quot; and we need permission for this<br /> # Thomas: in my opinion SMWcon is quite generic, as long as you don't limit it to the software &quot;Semantic Mediawiki&quot;<br /> # Rich: MWComCon :-)<br /> <br /> ==Action board==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |Open<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event_talk:184&diff=3269 Event talk:184 2023-07-10T16:30:23Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Raw transcript:'''<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' November.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Okay, so just a couple of weeks earlier than<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' when I was at the last smw, con Wolfgang Fall was<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' very eager. And he sent me a message afterwards. After the conference as well.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' He would like<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' to organize a conference related workshop<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' like at one of these larger conferences, have a workshop on<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Media Wiki or semantic media Wiki and his vested interest is that he's working in a Phd. Program, and so organizing him as a credential. But he needs folks who have doctorates to lead it, you know, having the credential. And so therefore<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' was looking to me to lead that<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I haven't really had time to think about it. that's you know. That's a good deal of work.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' There's a lot<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' in having a you know.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' an official conference workshop that's past the kind of more<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I would say, a relaxed type of environment that we have for soliciting and accepting.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Contributions and stuff. So I haven't really had the time or been eager. But<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' But if you mentioned, you know, co-locating it something with a conference, you know. That may be something that Wolfgong would be interested in.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' no.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' because I wanted somebody else to actually do the a lot, you know. Yeah, I mean, I I ask them if if we could do it in our, I think it's an often okay, it's yeah. They would be interested. But it's not this year. And then we're talking about next year. And then, as I said, No, next year's covered. So maybe 2025 and a half, I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I mean what what I could do. Still, I mean for official workshops in the Iwc. To the deadlines have passed long, so that would not make sense. But still, I mean, maybe they have. I don't know about about about the situation, the room situation, but but maybe they have the opportunity to co-host some kind of a conference that you know is around the same dates or or<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' and and where people can, you know, join the other conferences something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' But I I could imagine that being quite expensive actually, and because those conferences. I mean, they just<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' they are not like, not not like, I don't know if it's in the so that could be a quite expensive thing to do.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Yeah, and with no one in essence except for the conference organizers, I think it's going to be a lot of work still.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So I'm not. I'm not so keen.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' What? What is a Phd level workshop look like, I mean, is it?<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Yeah, I've never been to one.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' well, it's more the the process of Generally you you write some sort of a position statement in order to be able to apply to attend. So you know, to make sure that the audience of the workshop is<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know, invested in the same topic, and you know that all bring some experience to the table, and then generally the committee that's organizing it<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' me to go over all of the proposals and chooses. Who can select who can attend to the attend the workshop. That's one way that I've seen it. Ron. Now, you know, they have different levels of of exclusivity.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' many of them will<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' be pretty open as far as accepting if somebody shows demonstrated in in attending. But then<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' attends will give a presentation, so that you know everybody sort of says what their position is, and then there might be some sort of combined conversation.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' it, which is very different than what we do right?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' so. But I'm not sure that they're all<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' they have. They all have that requirement. I think it. You know we would have to look at whatever the rules are, for whatever conference we're proposing to participate in, because, you know, different ones have different<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' different rules, and<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know they want to make sure that they that all of the workshops associated with the Conference have the same kind of structure and editorial control.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So it really depends on. Yeah. I haven't looked in many years to see.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' You know what what the current situation is. It may have changed very well. Also, it sounds like, that's something that Wolfgang should be able to talk about. Then, if you know, he's looking for a particular sort of thing. Yeah, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' yeah, he had some specific proposals, but I just didn't have the time to go down that path. So it's something that he was. He really is interested in, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I we have. How can I put this? We have enough trouble getting people to present and to attend our conferences, that making them more exclusive is not necessarily going to be a benefit to our community.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' yeah, is is my feeling Now, if they were to bring additional people to participate because we're at a larger conference, and the people at the conference are looking at things and rejam the list of workshops and go. Oh, you know that sounds like a good one.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know. Maybe they could bring some new people in. But it I it doesn't sound like it's a replacement for what? For? What we're talking about.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' for for what we typically do.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' what I'm curious Bernard. And in case we have any, doesn't sound like there's any chance of really getting it<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' work with Isw this year. But in case we do next year say one to work with them. Do you know when deadlines and all that are<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' that they are in in in May, or something like that, I think. for the workshops.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' but you have a link you can post in chat to this.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I mean, the interesting thing is, there is the the Wiki data workshop we located on the sixth and seventh of November there.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So I mean, yeah, that's pretty good.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I mean, it doesn't cost anything to ask. So maybe it will just right now, because we are full. and if they say yes, we can still consider it so maybe maybe I should<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' right. And because it's I mean, semantic conference would be a great<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' co-host, please.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Maybe I will do that, and<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' let's see.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah, that it sounds sounds good. I want to move on to the next thing here because we're we're<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' don't want to eat up all the time. What's the I I send you? You posted something about media. Wake you the use of media with you. You have any update on that.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I'm meeting with tomorrow to talk about a variety of different things.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' pertaining to. You know, we've had a reorg, and I'm in a different group now. I'm working for for developer experiences under the principal engineer, and she's the director of product management for both Media Wiki and for developer experiences. And so I'm meeting with her to talk about a variety of different things. But one of the topics that I'd emailed to Selena and Selena had suggested that I run past beer. Get<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' is the naming, you know, being able to use the name Media Wiki for the conferences. I'm not super hopeful.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' just because my interactions with beer get related to anything embedded in the past when she was the director of tech engagement.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' We're not super fruitful, you know. Basically, she's like, Oh, you know, she's more more focused on tool developers than volunteer Media Wiki developers, or at least was in the past. She was always oh, no, we're too busy to get involved with that. I don't have time for that.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Her focus may have changed now that she is indeed going to be the<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' director of product management for Media Wiki<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and It looks like, at least for the short term that the actual product manager may be Brian Davis. which itself is<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' interesting because he's an engineer, not a product manager. and I know from personal experience that engineers shouldn't be product managers, but<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' that's a whole other topic. so<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' At any rate.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I will discuss the name with her.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Selena's hesitation was that calling it meeting Wiki Conference makes it sound like the Wikipedia Foundation should be more involved in it. And then, this time of austerity and travel, and, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' limiting staff, and you know everybody's pretty much fully committed.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know, not having the resources to devote to hosting 2 conferences a year, and I tried to explain to her that<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I tend to be involved anyways regardless, and I don't see that the name would necessarily imply that the foundation to have more involvement.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' so we'll see what beer gets take is<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' You know what I was discussing this, I went up to New York last week, and I<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I spoke with Muriel and Shotlander, who is now principal engineer for Media Wiki and James<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' was sort of talking through the idea of the names, and they were sort of throwing around some other alternative names.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I still sort of like the idea of mediocre conference. You know, there's always, you know, mediocre stakeholder conference could perhaps be another<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' option. Although we've had problems in the past with people not thinking they really belong to the Media Wiki stakeholders group, and I wouldn't want to do anything, you know, again, if our idea is to broaden the people who feel like they belong at the conference.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' anything. That sort of restricts it in the name.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' it's not a good thing. So<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' We also thought about. You know what are some like sort of<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' flashy names, you know Wiki Universe, or you know<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' things like that. So Wiki Conference is already taken. So<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' hmm.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I, okay, so. But I I think I think it's good to have the that that is some progress on this. So it's good, it's good to hear that you all are thinking about other names, and because that does open up possibilities, even though I don't like them. But<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' me, either.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah, I it. It's good to hear that.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I. So the other things on the agenda I have open right now are<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' just<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' things that basically relate to Eric and Marcus<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the the co-lab collaboration and updating. You know what we were talking about obligations.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So I'm going to. I will work on making sure that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' they are all involved in the next week next<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' meeting that we have, and I will update the thing<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' here that I send out. So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' does anyone So I'm gonna read off this.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' what? What's on the agenda here and let me know if there's anything that needs to change collaboration, because I I think it would be good to talk some more about that.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' And then changing obligations we have. We're supposed to have membership meetings? and we have not had one. So do we actually need to do one or do the monthly<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' meetings<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' account is that, or can we put those in there.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Oh.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and then we need to talk about what counts as a project. you know what the fills are obligations, and once we do that. We need to actually write those down and make sure that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know there's agreement<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' real quick for the cloud pad. That's the Wiki based solutions and name for the kind of ether pad editing, or whatever is that right? And then what? What was the ask? Is it just connect blue spice and<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Wikipedia to there, there we<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' there was a connect. There was<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' oh, blue spice was Hello, Bill, all right! Said they were already doing stuff on this, and they had done some significant work on, you know, getting the<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' basically ether pan working with this or collaborative<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' anyway. So there was some in some cross over there, but when we keep Ace brought it up<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and I think it would be.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know I I would like to figure out, you know, is there anything happening here? So<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' just one clarification Collab pad was the name given to? I think it was C. Scott who created a prototype based on visual editor in a hackathon a number of years ago. So collapse was actually the name of it's a foundation supported thing. But then, yeah, Wiki based solutions was planning to<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' on that, I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah. And are there any questions about the because this is something, I added, just without any discussion, any of these meetings. Is there any questions about the membership meeting thing that I mentioned?<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I think that the Monthly meeting should count as membership meetings, but I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' officially say something like that. But speaking of that, there's a membership meeting this Friday, and it'd be super great if we were actually prepared for that and have an agenda.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Oh, you mean tomorrow? Yeah, that is.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Yeah. interesting enough. I don't have it in my in my calendar.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Am I correct. I have it on my calendar.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' It's a. It's the first Friday of every month. So it yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' it should be<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' at 1130. Eastern, a secretary.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' okay, well, that's a a snap.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' It is on the<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' but it probably wouldn't be horrible to like announce it somewhere, so that we might.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So I don't have an agenda, does anyone?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I I'm so sorry about the well.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Obviously I'm not that sorry because I didn't do anything. I don't feel too terribly guilty, but<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I am sorry nothing happened. So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' is there anyone who wants to help me put together an agenda for tomorrow?<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Yeah, I should like, I mean, if we do it now, or I guess we have 2 min left in the meeting here. But<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' sure, yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' let's do it now. I'm trying to update this invite right now. But yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' one more question, maybe for Bernhard. So for event, yay is the is the thought to watch the<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Wikimedia, and then<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' decide if it seems like worthwhile, or just go for it now and plan for it.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Well, If we, if you do the end of November we still have time to decide. I mean my, my, my first, my first thought is always to to try hoping again, because it worked pretty well.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' but this one seems quite cheap, and you know, if it works well for the phone for Wikipedia, then we we should give it a try.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' The the problem is, I I would not be able to participate in looking at, because I'm traveling there<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' so. But<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I hope some of you would be. what is it creating it. and then share the experiences?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you're you're traveling where you're traveling to the Us. Is that what you're talking about? The travel. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' we have the Internet. Here, you are planning to<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' can i ask you a question, please.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' do we know of any large university that uses media, we key internally to a larger extent.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' If there are several of these.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' because<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' couldn't we suggest a mutually beneficial<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' conference? So you host us, and we bring expertise<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' something like that. It it it sort of drags us away from the commercial side<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' into. But<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' I I I'm sure this has been considered before. So just let me know what, what, how fruitful these thoughts were.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I I if there's something there, I I don't know about it, but it would be good to know. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I'm not exactly sure what you mean.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' Well, I mean, for example, you have the University of Zurich. They use it in 4 of their faculties, and for administration we call them up and say, we are an association. That sort of gathers Media, Wiki, specialists, practitioners, and so on. And we I want to gather. And we thought we could maybe<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' organize the conference at your premises, and we come to your place for 3 days, and you can send your people and your questions and your issues. And we gonna craft a program<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' with to from which you can benefit something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Well, that was basically what what was I? What I teach? I think I have a role to 3 or 4 different German is about universities. The only one in Austria I always is a university of in spoke.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' And what what did they respond that they I I didn't talk to them because Austria is going to be next year. So I didn't really consider this book.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' They are. They are blue spice customers. So they will probably not.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' Oh, okay, directly benefit so much from this. But yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' when we hosted in Rotterdam.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' isn't there to<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I thought that there was somebody from a local faculty who talked or was on the advertising committee.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And Eric yon had suggested speaking to Archie. Excel. He's also there.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' like the other one's 2 years in. But<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' that's okay.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' or attach it to a<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' knowledge management concerned<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' whatever section or department of a university<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' or a or a school something like that pinky back off that.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Well, that's kind of what we were talking about with the Isw thing, right<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' it on a conference here.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah, it it would be interesting if anything comes from that. But otherwise I I think right now, the<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the 2 things that we have that we are<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' relatively<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' sure up or send out an email to the list and say, you know, we're<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' if you want to do this and help us, host, this next weekend next year, this year in person. Let us know within the next week<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' there was.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah, yeah. Do you want to to bring it to Italy? But<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' those before Covid.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' have they resurface.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' because the that was planned for 2,020.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' But of course, yeah, Covid, then.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' But yeah, if somebody could reach out to them just to see if they're<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Still, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' around<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the person doing the most outreach right now is Bernard Bernard. Do you want to reach out to them.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I can try again, but it's not going to work because I try<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' you, already spent to try to reach out to me.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' But I can try again, of course. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So as far as the agenda for tomorrow's meeting, we can talk about s MW, con. I don't know whether Ger go is coming or will give an update.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' can I ask you?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I can answer.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And then other than that, I guess. Just open. If there's anything anybody wants to talk about.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So yeah, if you if you can send out that message tonight Bernard, about the next hosting next week, then that would really give us something that substance to talk about<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' for tomorrow. This is to wrangle maybe a European into this. but<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' yeah, sure, I mean, I can.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Okay, I will be there tomorrow. So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah, just send out the email tonight so that you know, we can say, Hey, this Bernard sent us out in last night. So<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' anyway, the other thing I'd like to talk about at a future board meeting not today, but just, you know, sort of.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know. I guess you know Eric's talked about, you know, sort of larger term goals and things like that, and all sort of the composition of the Board, you know, I know that Adam went out on his voting trip, and my understanding is he's back. Maybe we need to reach out to him also to remind him that he's on the board and<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' encourage him to participate again, which would be great, or see if maybe his interest to change<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So I'm trying to think, who else are we missing today.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Marcus? And well, there we go. Yeah. yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So okay, those those are 3 people for me to reach out to<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Where is another one?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' It's everybody right? Yeah, there go. But I was supposed to talk to gear go as well.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So yeah, Gargo, and then the 3 Abs and board members. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Cool.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and and next next<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the next meeting we will be talking more hopefully about the obligations and that sort of thing, and try to get this<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' whole thing in order. So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' okay,<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah, all right, thanks a lot. Yo.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' okay, bye, bye.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' bye, bye.</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:184&diff=3268 Event:184 2023-07-10T16:22:44Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/07/06<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/06<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''SMWCon'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} Couldn't find a host, it may be fully virtual this year<br /> #* Tentative dates November 27th-29th<br /> #* Try to avoid other conferences:<br /> #** https://wikidataworkshop.github.io/2023/<br /> #** https://iswc2023.semanticweb.org/call-for-research-track-papers/<br /> #* Might use the [https://eventyay.com/e/8f889410 EventYay platform], same used by the WMF<br /> #* Could send out an email about being virtual &amp; make sure nobody wants to host<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} Wolfgang wanted to set-up a PhD level workshop <br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Lex}} Should we collaborate with a University?<br /> # '''ColabPad'''<br /> #* Originally a WMF hackathon project<br /> #* Both WikiBase Solutions &amp; Hallo Welt are working on a solution<br /> #* Trying to get both companies to collaborate<br /> # '''MediaWiki Name in Conferences'''<br /> #* Ideally MediaWiki Conference (MWCon)<br /> #* Cindy talked to people at the foundation, there is some reservation coming from the WMF regarding confusion about the name or obligation from the WMF<br /> #* Some other names were suggested, but would be good to understand the feasibility of using MediaWiki Conference<br /> # '''Group Updates'''<br /> #* Board Members - Adam should be back, check into his willingness to reattend<br /> #* Do we need to have an official &quot;Member Meeting&quot; or has the monthly MWStake Meetings sufficed?<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:175&diff=3267 Event:175 2023-07-10T16:12:34Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=Yes<br /> |start-date=2023/07/07<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/07<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |url=https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Gergő Tisza, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Rich Evans, Thomas O'Neill, Thomas Topway, Vincent Brooks, Yaron Koren<br /> }}<br /> ==Meeting agenda==<br /> # '''Wait for attendees &amp; chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}<br /> # '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}<br /> # '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Gergo}} '''MediaWiki News'''<br /> #* Notes: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2023-07<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}} '''Comment Streams, Flow, &amp; Other Messaging systems'''<br /> #* I love &amp; use Comment Streams<br /> #* The main use is for OSHA compliance for Hazardous Materials<br /> #* What does everyone else use?<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} '''Reorg @ WMF'''<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} '''MW Conference Name'''<br /> #* i.e. Semantic MediaWiki Conference (SMWCon) and Enterprise MediaWiki Conference (EMWCon) merging to the same name<br /> #* MediaWiki Conference (MWCon) would be ideal, any update there?<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} There is some reservation coming from the WMF regarding confusion about the name or obligation from the WMF<br /> #* Another option is MediaWiki Community Conference (MWComCon)<br /> <br /> ==Action board==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |Open<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:175&diff=3266 Event:175 2023-07-10T16:10:38Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=Yes<br /> |start-date=2023/07/07<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/07<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |url=https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb<br /> }}<br /> ==Meeting agenda==<br /> # '''Wait for attendees &amp; chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}<br /> # '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}<br /> # '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Gergo}} '''MediaWiki News'''<br /> #* Notes: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2023-07<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}} '''Comment Streams, Flow, &amp; Other Messaging systems'''<br /> #* I love &amp; use Comment Streams<br /> #* The main use is for OSHA compliance for Hazardous Materials<br /> #* What does everyone else use?<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} '''Reorg @ WMF'''<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} '''MW Conference Name'''<br /> #* i.e. Semantic MediaWiki Conference (SMWCon) and Enterprise MediaWiki Conference (EMWCon) merging to the same name<br /> #* MediaWiki Conference (MWCon) would be ideal, any update there?<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} There is some reservation coming from the WMF regarding confusion about the name or obligation from the WMF<br /> #* Another option is MediaWiki Community Conference (MWComCon)<br /> <br /> ==Action board==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |Open<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:184&diff=3265 Event:184 2023-07-06T16:03:52Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/07/06<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/06<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''Topic'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|XXX}} '''XXX'''<br /> <br /> <br /> * https://eventyay.com/e/8f889410<br /> * https://iswc2023.semanticweb.org/call-for-research-track-papers/<br /> * https://wikidataworkshop.github.io/2023/<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event_talk:184&diff=3264 Event talk:184 2023-07-06T16:02:48Z <p>Bryandamon: Created page with &quot;'''Raw transcript:'''&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>'''Raw transcript:'''</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:183&diff=3263 Event:183 2023-07-06T16:02:31Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/06/22<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/06/22<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''MWStake Phab Tasks'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Eric-Jan}} [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/1071/ Phab Board]<br /> # '''Real Time Editing'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Eric-Jan}} Wikibase is creating functionality for '''Real Time Editing'''<br /> #** See [https://matrix.to/#/!NGZmJSwAAwbGRxhWwH:matrix.org/$UFFjGSkOKcoTrj2xBCm-8c8xo-1rGlFSsBr-AzqYgUY?via=matrix.org&amp;via=t2bot.io&amp;via=grin.hu Real Time collaboration discussion on Element]<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Markus}} Hallo Welt/Blue Spice is also working on '''Real Time Editing''' (see Element link above)<br /> #** Can MWStake obligations via membership sponsorship help? We have spent 200+ hours on this so far so the 10-20 hours from a membership sponsorship would be helpful but very small in the overall scheme<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} We need to rework MWStake Sponsorship Obligations, ideally to represent our work on Conferences vs. direct project requests<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Markus}} We need to find a way to support/develop/maintain heavily used but currently unmaintained MW extensions<br /> # '''SMWCon 2023'''<br /> #* Do we have a location and General Chair?<br /> #* Any information about using the new name &quot;MediaWikiCon&quot;?<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} I will follow-up<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} Still looking for a conference location<br /> #** If we are able to use the new conference name &quot;MediaWikiCon&quot;, then there might be a benefit to be online only and try to get as much attendance as possible<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Markus}} I will ask, but I'm not hopeful for Hallo Welt to host<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:184&diff=3262 Event:184 2023-07-06T16:02:17Z <p>Bryandamon: Created page with &quot;{{Event |mwstake-meeting=No |title=Board Meeting |start-date=2023/07/06 |start-hour=15 |start-minute=30 |end-date=2023/07/06 |end-hour=16 |end-minute=00 |attendees=Bernhard Kr...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/07/06<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/07/06<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''Topic'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|XXX}} '''XXXg'''<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event_talk:183&diff=3261 Event talk:183 2023-06-26T19:52:06Z <p>Bryandamon: Created page with &quot;'''Raw transcript:''' '''Mark:''' So I'm looking at that. And also it. It's old. We've already talked about these things except for the fabricator. So why don't we start with...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>'''Raw transcript:'''<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So I'm looking at that. And also it. It's old. We've already talked about these things except for the fabricator. So why don't we start with that the the the fabricator items that says go over Fab where it's these 4 items here which I believe is your you are. Gonna go over this or look at this before Eric Shawn.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yeah. Well, so these sponsor obligation to forth a column. They are derived from a original, let's say, kind of a marketing plan of 2,021 or 2,020<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' and so.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' and in my, in a note of the beginning of this year I wrote down some of the<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' sponsor obligation to which we transferred into these 4 tasks in fabricator<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' So, looking at those 4 tests, they should speak for itself. It's just a matter of who is the owner of this<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' and but<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' also important. Who has the information and data to get into contact with the with the sponsors<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' and Brian has done quite some work on this in the past this could be very useful. I recently found one of the important emails<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Brian wrote<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' in this regard.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' But there's there's still some. The work. Is there still to be done? That that's what the naked truth is<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' again you you shouldn't walk on the street as a naked through<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you. Just still be<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' so you would, you wouldn't typically use that expression right in American English. The yeah, you would. Okay, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I'm just saying, don't. If if you're naked, you know you might want to make sure you careful what you do in public. anyway, it's that's a distraction. I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' the. So we're at 6 months into the year. And we have these things here. What what can we do now? Specifically, what needs to be done now? And who needs to do it, because I I think oh, but first let me acknowledge that Marcus has done a great job on getting that report out finally. So<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' great. Marcus.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah. But going back to this, I we have these 4 items<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' we want to. We want to be able to say, Hey, we've actually done something worthwhile here.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and I think these 4 items are a good good way to do that. But what do we need to do to get to say? This is what we've done, and we've got.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yeah. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' So if if I may, if I may take a huge step<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' into a concrete and practical thing.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' One of my coworkers. Rubbish! You you know him. He has started a a thread in elements.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' MW. Stake, General.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' concerning a real time collaboration<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' concerning what what we call collect that<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' collapse pad. And this is an item.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' that could be related to a sponsor obligation. So can we solve this problem<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' under collabor pad<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' with hours, hours that are being that are being granted or being allocated<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' to respond to, sponsored to to sponsored money.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' So this could be a a typical question or subject, or Isq, or task or assignment that is related to<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' sp a sponsor request.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and Mark is Richard Heikl has already started discussing what Halloween is doing. So I think there's probably some overlap there. But that will be good news, right?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I'm probably about I I don't want to read through this discussion. I think it can be<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' in the State chat. I was wondering. So.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Eric, and since you mentioned that this would overlap with our sponsorship applications, so is there a. Because one of the enter the enterprise members for corporate members. Request is such a feature?<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Yes, this is exactly exactly the case.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' so, and robbers. So my co-worker robots want to start on this.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' and he is suggested to to to speak about this in the meeting. We take all this group. I said, first, okay, why not first.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' get this into elements right? Some, perhaps, that there is already this, some experience with this. if there is not, or if or if there's work remaining. This could be<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' related to sponsors and sponsor obligations. So this would be a typical project. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' how huge or how tiny it is. But this could be related.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah, I I definitely see overlap for this. I guess I'm gonna let other people here speak up about that. But I I I'm<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' this is certainly an interesting, exciting project. Yes. as I've already indicated in in the element.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah, I think I think it's a a great topic to. It's it's not simple<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' which I'm sure Mark is gonna test to by the stuff work they've already done on it. And by the discussion. That's already on element as well. I guess my question is is a very concrete one, which is, when you say, use that project to fulfill sponsor obligations. What exactly are you saying? Are we going to<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' like? It's not like we're rolling in money. but you know, use money to hire, you know, or to pay one of the developers to work on it? Or is it just that we use space in the monthly meeting to allow, or, or, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' create additional chat rooms. Whatever to to facilitate discussion is, is it? What kind of<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' As far as sponsor applications are concerned, we? We've never promised money. We. We've always talked about promising hours. So there's no relationship there. There shouldn't be a relationship, perhaps, between the hours and money if we can find resources to to solve this problem, maybe no money is involved. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' So the sponsor is looking to solve to solve a problem and and the the problem would cause<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' hours of my my concern with my only concern with that is, I don't think we do a good job of tracking<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' anything. And at some point like, I'm not saying we're going to get audited. But maybe we could be. I don't know who audits things like us, but we are a nonprofit.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' maybe we need to be a little bit more stringent about, you know. Like, if what are we promising? How are we<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' audit, or how are we tracking what we actually do to meet those obligations? And where? How<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' do we transparently tell people what it is that we're doing in order, you know. I think all of these are good things, but I think that if we're going to be promising stuff. We need to be able to back it up that we've actually delivered.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' so<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' related to that.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I I'm wondering if<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' is it sounds like<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Eric. It sounds like you already. Have people in mind that you you want to do this work, and it sounds like Halloween already has people in mind that they want to do this work.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' If we're going to say that this is this is work that Media Wiki stakeholders is involved with our. You know, we're doing this for sponsor obligations. Does that mean that you all are doing the work and we're helping coordinate the<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' collaboration and sharing of that work. What what does that mean?<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' I haven't. I haven't yet had the time to.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' we look at research research comments.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' yeah, of course we could co-creat it in this in the process.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' I see no High Level estimates<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' in But what What robins have to has told me is that the collect that really needs needs improvements. So the<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' the extension it's improved with otherwise he would already have solved it, and we wouldn't have. But yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I can't say a little bit. on that. So<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' a high level estimate for this to be become a feature. So they say, experimental. Call up head it! That was developed by C. Scott.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' long time ago, and It is kept alive by C. Scott somehow, but it doesn't have any significant have a improvement, especially when it comes to ui and and like more advanced features of initial editor.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' So we have been working on this as part of this price. we did not do so publicly. yet, because it<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' it does have some issues. So it's not an easy project.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' and you conceptual as well as technical issues. and where I see some actual room for<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' collaboration is to make it stable, right? So I think I mean, naturally. we do have some extra features. We want to have them integrate into call it pad and we're working on this. but I'm I'm I'm hoping to to collaborate on like the days<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' collaborative editing right? And there's a lot of decisions to be made. and<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' it's a again. It's not super easy. the the thing I want to say on that is So sponsorship obligations. If I do remember correctly, I'm the area of a few tens of hours. to be honest, I mean, I think at least it it it it in it, and holiday. It has been at least<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' 200 h on this yet, and it's not done right. So this is not a project, but it just<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' no.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I think<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I'm frozen. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' What? What? What? What? What part did you, miss? yeah. In in short, it's a huge project. we have sponsorship obligations for like 30 h. This is many of the conceptual face of this in my view. Right? So<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' and but but generally speaking, it will be discussed. This the rob is<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' it's a message in, and we discuss it internally and I think it. It is a good project, and we'll push the media forward, but it will push me to every key as a home to some, so we are all in for for collaboration.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Perhaps we could try to. adopt it. adopted<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' it. what we would say in a wider sense. Right, we would adopt it. as a as a community, perhaps even adopted at a conference. A as a hackathon.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' but yeah, you you're right. It's you've spent hundreds of hours. I didn't know that, of course.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' and there's still some work to be done. You're talking about expecting you to be stable to start in a few weeks. Sorry to be able to start in a few weeks. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' so this needs some more work to be done before we can<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' take a decision on this, I would say.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' so. What we found on this is this A big question is, what is the actual use case. So<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' collaborative editing on architects as in Wikipedia, is probably not the use case you want to have in mind here. So I guess mostly what we know from is writing minutes like to some real time accompanying real time minutes of wait time meetings.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' that is one of the other we see is is drafts like People want to just spin up a page, and they want to be quickly type something it's saved. And then it's it. There's a draft, not as an article. And and you have these hot faces for articles. I don't know. There is in in my area. We have.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' We set up a new server, and during that we to real time like<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' documentation. So there's some people involved in in the document. and each of those that's what we found has a differently month slightly different demand for the ui. So<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' and I'm pretty sure we can find other used cases. So I think the challenge here is to how to lead people. how do you make sure that? Why, there's a club or 2 session. There is not somebody editing the option an article, and you know, messing with that. how do you make sure what what people said in this in in this in<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' No element conversation. How how do you attribute? It's attribution, even a thing. I don't know. So in in a lot of corporate environments, we do have like audit responsibilities, but proper attribution. As for edit accounts, nobody counts. Edit counts in my from in my customers, so they don't care about the edit accounts. They just need to make sure it's auditory somehow. Right? So that's all different, you know. things. And I think<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' again, I think coming up with a good basis for this is is really something where we should. The broad of the basis the better it is for this.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yes, so the the the path of use case defining use case would be would be very helpful. But<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' we we we should. We should be confident in that case that that this is going to be a project because we would spend it yet lots of times, lots of time on each, on the use cases, and if this is doesn't, does not turn into a project.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' that's also a little bit to.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I think the key point is what Marcus said before also, is that what we're talking about for sponsor allegations is in the order of, you know, a couple of tens of hours and we we generally spend that already. organizing 2 conferences a year.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' easily.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And if we we had discussed at 1 point, considering that as being a satisfaction of the sponsor obligations, I would encourage us also to consider rewriting sponsor obligations going forward in a way that it's not committing us to<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' We've rehashed this conversation multiple times of over time. And we're not in a position where we can devote significant development resources to to any project at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And again, we're talking about, you know. Of what was it? 30, 30? Some hours. So I I would encourage us to<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' quiet that for the time being, you know, you know, maybe we. I want to reintroduce it in the future. But if we change the wording of what we of what we guarantee, what we are promising for sponsor obligations, and at this point fulfill it just with the conference.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' planning and support that we're doing. And yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' So I I would like to to add something here to bring up a a idea. So I recently had a conversation with, I came from Wiki Tech.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' and we we found that we have the same<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' trouble in the immediate key environmental ecosystem that is, unmaintained but still heavily used extensions. and it it. The one of the examples is the head of for the extension which was not compatible with media, with 139. And you know there were like 3 or 4 for now, which just did the same thing and made it compatible.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' and The the underlying issue is that there are some extensions that are have to use, but they don't have any kind of Maintainer ship. and I was wondering if we were talking about that. An entity like the stakeholders could be one authority<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' that<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' it does have these resources and the experience to override me, to like rotten Maintainer, in the sense that if the Maintainer of such an extension does not do their proper job for the cop keeping compatibility, I mean not adding new features in it, or make big decisions, but just keep it up.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' so that people can use can see. Use it. I think that could be something we could somehow take on and I'm not talking about the huge formal process. But you know, just say, as part of the sponsorship obligations, we take care of extensions. You can name it. We Ss equity. And then we say, Okay, we do that. That's typically a task of a few hours to get that, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Get rid of the applications and stuff like that. And I guess it would really help the community. so that is something. And and I'm bringing this up because I just recently, it's not only my ideas also. it's floating around in the ecosystem that this keeps being an issue like on on incompatible extensions and things like that. So<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' having some sort of a<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' like like being a touch point for this problem, and then having the resources to do it. That would, in my view, be like like a extension fixing, you know. Like.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' so, yeah, like, like, Cindy set and chat we're running out of time. We're coming to the end here. but I think this, I think what we're I want to summarize basically what we've talked about, which is Eric John brought up, you know. Hey, this is a this is a collaboration tool that we're working on. Maybe we could use this for the<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' to fill our obligations. Cindy. again brought up that she thought, we need to rework the how the obligations are or<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' handled, and how we frame that. And Marcus, you mentioned again a a very good idea, which was about the, you know, extension maintenance that we would basically<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' put our imprint to her upon. You know, this is this is the official thing, or whatever But to say, this is the one that's managed<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and So I I think all this is a a good thing.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' a good discussion. What?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' But I think I think we need to continue talking about this and and figure out, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' a decision here, you know. I I think right now we have, and I'm sorry. I wanted Bernard. I saw you signal that you wanted to say something. Is there anything you want to add to this?<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Yeah, yeah, just to the, to the comment of of of Cindy, as the as far as I understand. If I, if I am a sponsor<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' and I I have to. What is it here? A gold sponsorship or platinum? It says, guaranteed 8 h project, or guaranteed 16 h project. In my opinion this means, if, for example, came, a would be a go sponsor. I get an 8 h project every year, but I decide what this project is. So you would have to ask the individual sponsor if it's okay to<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' put their 8 h into whatever it is. So we? We cannot just argue, you know, doing a conference is is much work, and we we put in general those hours in. If I'm a sponsor saying that I get an 8. Our project, I have to at least agree. Okay, you can spend my 8 h on the you know you're inw Com, or something like that. So that's the way I understand it.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yes, this is completely correct. I would say<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' so. I would like to add, though, that the the member probably has to actually claim that our. So we're not proactively going to them and say, Hey, you have 16 h. What can do for you but the the the member has to get to the stakeholders and say, Okay, I want my 16 h now and use it on this. Oh, just no, I don't know. He he can. Also he can rely on this to count. He<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' he wouldn't have to. He wouldn't have to to check this. He! He! He might, he might. He may rely on this, that we that we fulfill this obligation.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' We discussed this also at a previous meeting, and the consensus we came to at that point was that they don't, that there isn't anything there that says that they get to choose the project, which seems a little unfair, and I wasn't kind of percent behind it. But I agreed.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I agree that it. It does not say that it actually does not say that they get to choose the project. Just that we will do something.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I I that doesn't feel a hundred percent right to me. Which is why I really want us to rewrite that because I could definitely<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' understand if a sponsor came forward and said, Okay, I want my 16 h of work. And I what I want you to do for it is this. I would completely understand that, based upon the current wording. But<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know, we we actually did discuss this and decide that unless somebody objects, we're going to interpret it as we, we decide<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' what work we're doing for that.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' But but I but you know, Eric, John. Obviously.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know that that's not something that we've recorded. And Eric Shawn is obviously correct in saying, Hey, this is<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' open to interpretation.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' And I think we should fix that.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' And and I, I'm completely synthetic with with what you're saying, Eric, it's just, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yeah, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I, and and it makes sense. It makes sense. What you all are saying makes sense. Which is why he was saying, let's let's fix the wording. But which of us is going to spend 16 h coding<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' for a sponsor project right now in order to deliver on that obligation.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' all right. So we're we're out of time. But we, I think we need to.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' What, what, what do, what<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we could try to have Lex UN unmuted<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' if if we would like to look at the meeting chat.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' Yeah. Now. sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yeah. Lex. So we want to put you as the host for Smw. Cons, since we don't have anyone doing that. So that's what we're nominating you to do.<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' Oh, there, there's no response. And I guess it's you know. What? What does that mean?<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' How you know what that means? Right?<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' I I I I I I I I examined all the options in Switzerland, and they they're not feasible. Hmm!<br /> <br /> '''Lex:''' I<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I contacted some some people in Germany. But up to now I don't have anyone showing up.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' so we might end up in a situation that it would be a fully virtual conference. Because there's a plan, B. If no one shows up. We're going to make it fully online, I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So the the one important question is, Mark, I think you wanted to check if we can use the words. And media, we keep calling<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah, and and<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' right. And I was supposed to get person to talk to you from Cindy, I believe.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' So that was kind of a change.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah, I was supposed to find out who the appropriate person is. I I will do that.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Marcus. Is there any chance that Hello! World would be interested in hosting again.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' I would have the discuss this internally. and to you carefully<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' to you. To be honest, I'm not very optimistic, but I could try. I could try to approach or to excel.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' They were our co-host in the Rotterdam<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' quite a long time ago they did some other things as well I could. I could try to get them in the driver's seat.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' They're yeah. They are not too active in the community they were in.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' they did. They did some<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' some work on on a certain chair. So yeah, I could. I could to call them tomorrow. See where they stand.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Bernard, you you spoke to you. You tried to spoke to speak to you, Ron and Carson, right about doing it in Berlin.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and they're not interested<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' because Berlin would be fabulous with Wikimedia Deutsch L. There. And there's other people that it's nice to do it in a place where there are people who actually use the software, who you can get other people showing up to increase the attendance. You learn said to me that<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I should pitch him by he should, but by a professional week you should do that. And I, I told him, basically, I'm not going to do that because I'm pitching, you know, semantic media with a semantic meeting. It comes to everyone.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' but not to you. So if you don't know what it is, or what it's worth send to still do it. And no, this is waste of my time.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So yeah, David, I guess. I talked to. I wrote, I think<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' 3 or 4 different universities in in Germany. so it's not all all those. But it. It was just some basic. Also we would have to wait one or 2 weeks until<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' do you reach out? To? Not that I think that he he would necessarily be able to do it. But Toby at Powderbourne. because he's been involved for quite a while, sort of tangentially. I don't know whether he'd be interested.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I reached out to<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' device odor.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Oh.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' oh, yes, yes, and he he was the only one who reacted. or yeah, And he said, he will check. Yeah, he will check in. That's he, he said. That part of born is not, you know, the best place to have it from a physical. And you know.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' yeah. But I know he's been involved.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I mean, if we can use the immediately con. then actually, I would say, having it fully online would be<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' an advantage. Actually, because we couldn't really say, this is a new conference for the first time is so we could, because, you know, we we could<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' move the disadvantage that nobody really shows up doing it physically move to an advantage because it's in a new and the first conference. And it should be online, because, as many people should attend as possible which is never possible in the in the in a physical meeting.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So I think that would be interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' And yeah, that's let's see.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah. But it's so much it's so much better to have face to face discussions with people. I would really miss the opportunity to. At least. you know, we could do it with<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' online. Like, since we have conferences every 6 months, we could do an online one, alternating with an in person one, and we could start alternating the in-person ones between<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' North America and Europe<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' if we wanted to do it that way.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So okay, the point there, we we really need to get people back their time. But I I think, Yeah, I'll I'll I'll write this up and send it out.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' And hopefully, we will have something else.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Bye, bye.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' bye, bye. bye, bye.</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:183&diff=3260 Event:183 2023-06-22T16:23:14Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/06/22<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/06/22<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # '''MWStake Phab Tasks'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Eric-Jan}} [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/1071/ Phab Board]<br /> # '''Real Time Editing'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Eric-Jan}} Wikibase is creating functionality for '''Real Time Editing'''<br /> #** See [https://matrix.to/#/!NGZmJSwAAwbGRxhWwH:matrix.org/$UFFjGSkOKcoTrj2xBCm-8c8xo-1rGlFSsBr-AzqYgUY?via=matrix.org&amp;via=t2bot.io&amp;via=grin.hu Real Time collaboration discussion on Element]<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Markus}} Hallo Welt/Blue Spice is also working on '''Real Time Editing''' (see Element link above)<br /> #** Can MWStake obligations via membership sponsorship help? We have spent 200+ hours on this so far so the 10-20 hours from a membership sponsorship would be helpful but very small in the overall scheme<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} We need to rework MWStake Sponsorship Obligations, ideally to represent our work on Conferences vs. direct project requests<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Markus}} We need to find a way to support/develop/maintain heavily used but currently unmaintained MW extensions<br /> # '''SMWCon 2023'''<br /> #* Do we have a location and General Chair?<br /> #* Any information about using the new name &quot;MediaWikiCon&quot;?<br /> #** {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} I will follow-up<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} Still looking for a conference location<br /> #** If we are able to use the new conference name &quot;MediaWikiCon&quot;, then there might be a benefit to be online only and try to get as much attendance as possible<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Markus}} I will ask, but I'm not hopefull for Hallo Welt to host<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:182&diff=3259 Event:182 2023-06-22T15:59:11Z <p>Bryandamon: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/05/25<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/05/25<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} '''Conference naming EMWCon &amp; SMWCon'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} It sounds like &quot;Enterprise&quot; isn't ideal for Europeans since it has a connotation for &quot;Corporations&quot; or &quot;Business&quot; and &quot;Semantic&quot; isn't ideal in general because it's specific to one MediaWiki extension. That being said, it's fairly contentious in the community and probably better suited if both change (i.e. Organizational MediaWiki Conference or just MediaWiki Conference) rather than an existing name &quot;winning&quot;.<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} The Foundation might allow us to use the name (MediaWiki) now.<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} I don't feel strongly about either, but I understand the reservations from both sides. I'd like to chose something that improves attendance. <br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} '''EMWCon Financials'''<br /> #* Brief reporting on the EMWCon finanial report.<br /> #* The conference was in the positives by around $2,000<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} '''SMW Sponsorship'''<br /> #* I created a draft document for sponsorship<br /> #* I think MWStake should be the organization that collects the money and distributes it to the developers<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:183&diff=3258 Event:183 2023-06-22T15:58:22Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/06/22<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/06/22<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|X}} '''Topic'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Y}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Links===<br /> * [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/1071/ Phab Board]<br /> * [https://matrix.to/#/!NGZmJSwAAwbGRxhWwH:matrix.org/$UFFjGSkOKcoTrj2xBCm-8c8xo-1rGlFSsBr-AzqYgUY?via=matrix.org&amp;via=t2bot.io&amp;via=grin.hu Real Time collaboration discussion on Element]<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:183&diff=3257 Event:183 2023-06-22T15:57:11Z <p>Bryandamon: Created page with &quot;{{Event |mwstake-meeting=No |title=Board Meeting |start-date=2023/06/22 |start-hour=15 |start-minute=30 |end-date=2023/06/22 |end-hour=16 |end-minute=00 |attendees=Bernhard Kr...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/06/22<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/06/22<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=00<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Lex Sulzer, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|X}} '''Topic'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Y}} <br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:182&diff=3256 Event:182 2023-06-07T23:34:30Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=No<br /> |title=Board Meeting<br /> |start-date=2023/05/25<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/05/25<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |attendees=Bernhard Krabina, Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Eric-Jan, Mark Hershberger, Markus Glaser<br /> }}<br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} '''Conference naming EMWCon &amp; SMWCon'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} It sounds like &quot;Enterprise&quot; isn't ideal for Europeans since it has a connotation for &quot;Corporations&quot; or &quot;Business&quot; and &quot;Semantic&quot; isn't ideal in general because it's specific to one MediaWiki extension. That being said, it's fairly contentious in the community and probably better suited if both change (i.e. Organizational MediaWiki Conference or just MediaWiki Conference) rather than an existing name &quot;winning&quot;.<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Mark}} The Foundation might allow us to use the name (MediaWiki) now.<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}} I don't feel strongly about either, but I understand the reservations from both sides. I'd like to chose something that improves attendance. <br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}} '''EMWCon Financials'''<br /> #* Brief reporting on the EMWCon finanial report.<br /> #* The conference was in the positives by around $2,000<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bernhard}} '''SMW Sponsorship'''<br /> #* I created a draft document for sponsorship<br /> #* I think MWStake should be the organization that collects the money and distributes it to the developers<br /> <br /> ==Actions==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |All<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event_talk:182&diff=3255 Event talk:182 2023-06-07T23:23:28Z <p>Bryandamon: Created page with &quot;'''Raw transcript:''' '''Bryan:''' M. W. '''Bryan:''' They. They don't use semitically, Ricky, and they're confused. And then I also know that there's people Some people tha...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>'''Raw transcript:'''<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' M. W.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' They. They don't use semitically, Ricky, and they're confused. And then I also know that there's people Some people that think enterprise is a bad, not a bad name, but<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' misrepresenting. Who is there? So<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' I don't know. I also thought that we couldn't just do Media Wiki, you know conference<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' for legal reasons or something. But I don't really care. I I don't want this to be a stake in the community. So<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah, I I I. You're right. That originally the<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I I think it was because the organizers of this did not have.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' they, they had gotten off on the wrong foot, as it were, with the foundation. And so they<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' they wanted to make sure that they weren't gonna get any trouble. And we inherited that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I think, I think, though, that Media Wiki stakeholders does have. I I think we have a relationship with the foundation. And<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' we, you know, I I don't. I they they've given us the rights to the the name. So at least some of it.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' And we we we can talk to them.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' Yeah, I would. I would think. we<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' we do have a good position to use the name, but Before we use it we should double check with the foundation.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Do some extra<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' to so explore and do some extra discussion after after<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' before coming to a decision.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' but it sounds like, from what I'm hearing here. Bernard Cindy. You missed this, I think, but Bernard said he, he thought maybe<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' maybe, as some W. Con would be.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' we could present, you know, hey, we're changing the name, but they want to keep the same this year. just because it's worked so well for them. But again, you know it's not. We're not tying Smw. As cons hands to change their name. We're just saying, you know, maybe this is something just to see how it works.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' But just to just to make sure that I got the conversation clear. We're not talking about renaming smw, con to em w con.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Yeah, but we're but maybe changing the one or both.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' just changing one or both of them to just the Media Wiki conference, which I think would be awesome. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' yeah, no, I think that would be good. And I think, Mark, I think just as joining, I heard you say, but<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' yeah, the the<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I know your own.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' feel strongly about the enterprise Media Wiki name, but I do think that that is limiting the audience. I know that folks in Europe feel strongly or have about Smw. Con in favor over Em. W. Kon, because there is a history of having that semantic committee community.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' But yeah, that that that itself is also somewhat limiting. and just being media with you, I think, would allow us to broaden the audience, and I do think<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I will note that I do think that the attendance of<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' the attendance at Smw. Con was better then the most recent Em. W. Con. and I don't think it's strictly because of the name, but I think that we shouldn't<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' discount the fact that<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' you know that's one difference between the 2, and we should sort of consider about what can we do to increase the numbers? Because I think that we would want to do that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' all right. yeah. So I think I think the item there is for someone to talk to the foundation.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' is that is that something I should do. Do you want to take that. Send me to someone else. Want to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' I'm gonna start having some conversations internally. I think it should come from<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' from the board of the Media Wiki stakeholders group as a as a suggestion. I think it makes sense for it to come from you, Mark.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' but I can sort of lay some groundwork and figure out, because I'm not even sure at this point who the appropriate person to speak to is.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' and I wouldn't want to go just to the legal team, cold calling them, and you know, out of the blue without, you know, like, if I were going to go, I would want to have somebody from<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' the technology department recommend to them that this is something that makes sense, that will be for the betterment of Media Wiki as opposed to just going cold. So I would want to have some initial discussions before we go in with the proposal.<br /> <br /> '''Markus:''' So yeah, that that's fine with me. I'll wait for you to<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' lay some groundwork, as it were.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' just as a final remark to add, if I may, I mark if you if you would use, let's say, the sixth month, the 6 months MW. Come. This the Media Wiki Conference would surely would surely boost the the the the aspect of of<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' of uniting right and and reduce a possible division between an American conference and a European conference. So in that sense, He conference is is a strong suggestion. I would say.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' totally agree.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Brian, was there anything you had talked before? And it looks like we're not gonna have time to look at the fabricator stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' But it you had talked before, Brian, about the a report. I believe a final report on Em. W. Con. Do you have anything there?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' All right<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' now?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' That's fine.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' But so is there real quick then, because we only have<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' obviously the wrong thing I did share with with everybody in the<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' boardroom here, I think.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Cindy may have already had access to it. But<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' This might not be the final complete report. But<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' There's a there's I need to get back some taxes from 2 of the receipts.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' because we're a nonprofit, and I can do that through the State Comptroller. and I got something very curious from Simon Steer.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' I I thought I convinced him that he could just pay the ticket. and and that would be, you know, another $500 that we got. That brings us up to this total here about 2,000.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' But he also. This is what you sent me recently, and it makes me think that it<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' he he actually went ford and got a reversal on the let's see.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' this is what he wrote.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' The last part I could have just deleted, but it makes it sound like he successfully submitted for a refund<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' but I don't know like I looked at<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' Event Bright and I looked at Paypal, and for all I can tell.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' we collected the money, and we I transferred it to the bank, so I don't know how that can be possible.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' unless so, because I you know, he said<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' he accidentally bought the ticket. And I said, Okay, yeah, yeah. You didn't need to buy one, you know. But I said, but you know, if it's your<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' university that's paying for it. And you guys don't mind.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' We are a nonprofit, every bit helps. And he said, Oh, yeah, no problem. And so he said, send an invoice. So I sent an invoice, and then he sent me that. So I'm hoping it meant successfully submit for<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' payment of the invoice. But I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' So at the end we're we're somewhere between 1,500 2,000 ish depending on how this plays out.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' That's great.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' all right.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' And the 3 factors, one.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' the Wikipedia Foundation, sending 3 people.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' okay, yeah. No. So Eric and a lot of the people. And it seems like everybody in Europe has.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' you know, showing me receipts of payment, but it just hasn't hit the bank account as of last week when I checked.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' so I don't know what's going on there, but you can look into it.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' something that would be good to do, I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' just to know like what the bank balances, you know, like, have a treasurer's report periodically.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' I think right now we're hovering around $10,000. but I could. Here, I can look at that up right now.<br /> <br /> '''Cindy:''' Nice.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Can we talk a little bit about the sponsoring that I want to set up? Because I mean you? I've I've shared this this document with my thoughts. I'm I'm just going to go ahead and and start with that<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' 1. One part of it is really just, you know@snw.org, and on on Github companies who already do something.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' should should have the opportunity to make it themselves to physical. So this is the easy part. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So for example, if cisine, it has a a programmer that will do half a day of of of working on one of the repos on on Smw. They will. Can put the logo on, and if and if they say from September on, they are too busy, we cannot do anything, they can put it back<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' they can put it down again. So so things like that just to make visible who is actively doing something from those companies. This is the first part. It's the easy part.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' The harder part is the question. how can organizations donate?<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' And So the question really for MW. Stake is, I believe, MW. Stake should be the organization that would collect money and would find some means on distribute this money again.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' but I totally understand, and the greed that you would say it was just for one for one<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' ecosystem of extensions, and we want. We? We don't don't want to do that exclusively for this<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' because then, of course, you know what you could ask us if if we want to collect funds for for for cargo, or or if you want to collect funds for for canasta, which would also be an idea actually.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So I would also understand if if you don't like the idea but then I would have to do something like this open, collective Europe thing. So where you can donate.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So I would be really interested. What what you think about this?<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' So can we? Just yeah. So are you suggesting? donate donations<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' parallel to memberships or instead of memberships parallel to membership. Right? That's that's that's that should be. Anyway. I mean, we. We we should up our game on the membership front, and yes, and I'm happy to contribute to that. But my, my point is, if there is a say, large organization that says I'm using really semantic media. We cannot. I want to donate something.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I want to donate €1,000, and I don't want to pay to end on the stakeholders group and reaches to have to know from the receipt or from whatever this should be, for, as in publicly to things, it could be for for for you know, paying for the server, for, like the website is hosted, it could be that some programming task, or for we we could. We could buy ads. For you know, Google ads, whatever we did, we just have to know<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' these amounts. We collect it for for Sm, and we will spend it<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' in agreement of in a from our board, and that should not be a problem. I think<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' so, you know, aiming probably you're aiming for let's say, what I would call end users right? Not. You're not aiming for the the community companies like like you, and like we like us. You're not aiming for consults you're aiming for end users right?<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Which is so, which is a a a, a, a kind of a new, in a kind of a new group. So it's very interesting. Any effort<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' that would be interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I I would say. 1 one thing about that is the open, collective people already have a lot of an infrastructure set up for doing all of this.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and that is one part that I don't.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I don't think we have that infrastructure right now, and I'm not sure I have. We have the time to set it up.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Hmm!<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' But that, said I, like the idea overall.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know, coming up with a way to do this sort of thing.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' Hmm.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' because the the thing is, I mean, I just experienced this now with the bill for the for the no, just didn't work because I could not put in my address my European address because of this. I don't. This payment system just didn't work. And now my my debit card was was, is is<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' it's blocked, because, you know, I attempt to 2 or 3 times. And now I have to talk to the. So it's really annoying. And it just it just has to work a a also for the, for the, for the for the<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' membership options, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' and so I think we have to be better there, and maybe we should just strike, or I don't know some some big<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' big player there. that that provides all this spilling or automatic billing. You know we we cannot have prime, you know, issue manually bills for that, because someone will maybe donate €50<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' so. And I don't want Brian then to have to issue a feel because he says he needs it for his, for his taxes or something. Right? So this should be automatically. And and once we have that, it's it's going to be easy to set up products that you would sell. You know the membership fee, the sponsorship for this and that conference and sponsorship. So that's just no 3 products that you that we are selling online, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' so my my my proposal is that we<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' I have a stripe account. I think I I'm I'm not so sophisticated with it. But I think stripe is is is the platform that can do all that. And maybe we ss, meteoric to stakeholders. We should have a stripe accounts, and then we have. We can all do this payments, and I think it just works fine. But but Mark, didn't we already install. did you and Marin already install, or or or so they will.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' So so we already did this right. Yes, we we already have right there. I'm not saying we have an it. We can issue invoices, but the the payments the the the payroll is already there.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' Yes, that. But that<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' there is another interesting thing, that that is<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' another bit of maintenance that we have to do. I did talk it. It. That was another person I talked to at the conference was from the fundraising team<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' and she said that they have a lot of infrastructure, and they're looking at making it available open, fortunate, or it is open source, but making it more available to other wikis to install. And that that's another possibility is, you know, does that that? That's the main part that I'm thinking about that we don't really have the resources to maintain the software?<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' so yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' But if if if the foundation comes up, you know, if they do, and maybe it's just a matter of me going and bugging them and saying, Hey, could you release this and make it available.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' So the other people like us can use it.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' you know. Maybe maybe that's what I need to do. So I guess I I will go. Do that. I will go talk to her again and say, Hey, you know.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' have you made any progress on this? Because she said they wanted to. So yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' okay, that that will be great. And I mean, they don't have to completely open sources. They they. They can also provide it for us because we are associated, and you know we could be the first. the first ones to use it<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' right? Well, they I I'm real fairly sure that they have no problem open source in it. It's just, you know, it's just there's some work that has to be done as far as<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' making it available.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I will. Okay, I that's my task. I get. I guess we have a task for Cindy, and then we have<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' next meeting in a couple of weeks. I really do want to go over the fabricator stuff, And and as you said, we need to get, we need to up our game with the membership, and I think<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' I think Eric. you can take the lead on that next week now or 2 weeks from now.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Yes, no problem.<br /> <br /> '''Mark:''' all right, and that's going to be all the fabricator stuff, I believe so<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' alright, so thumbs up again for Brian and for the for the for the great report<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' on the eve. W. Count Brian, the great result as well.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Thank you with your yeah. Great.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' I know we got to leave. But just a quick question. I think, Bernard, you're saying that.<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' your ability to pay via authorized net. didn't work well.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' it didn't work at all. So I I issued this regular bank transfer, and I don't know why it is just just not going through. I don't know, so I I I will talk to to my bank. What? What is what is going on with this? Because it's it it it has not been deducted from my account yet.<br /> <br /> '''Bernhard:''' So this has been weeks now. So<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' yeah, and we're seeing that, I think, on the bank side. But What the point I was going to make. Is it sounded like, you know, we were talking about the integration for the MW steak. org site and authorized net as being something that we kind of already worked out. But if it's worked out on the backbone, it's something that's not really working<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' that is authorized on that side. Then we do need to<br /> <br /> '''Bryan:''' look at a different way to do it. So we can claim payments. Okay, I just want to make sure.<br /> <br /> '''Eric-Jan:''' Thanks for that your alright thanks, love! 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We are exploring using it as a potential replacement to Max.gov. Ahead of our next meeting, would a few people be willing to create an account (https://community.apan.org/support/w/kb/19051/1-create-apan-account/) and then attempt to join https://community.apan.org/wg/enterprise-mediawiki-community-of-practice/? I would like to get people's feedback in the meeting to see if this will work as a viable alternative.<br /> ** About APAN - APAN provides the DOD and mission partners community spaces and collaborative tools to leverage information to effectively plan, train and respond to meet their business requirements and mission objectives. APAN makes these tools available over the open internet so individuals and organizations who do not have access to traditional DOD systems and networks can participate in information sharing and collaborative events.<br /> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia<br /> * https://youtu.be/dgCvpy2P_Fo<br /> * https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/M-22-09.pdf<br /> * https://www.cisa.gov/zero-trust-maturity-model<br /> * https://www.intelink.gov/my.policy<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Chat===<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2023/06/01/national-donut-day-2023-deals/70268964007/<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Gergo}}: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2023-06<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://portal.max.gov/portal/home<br /> #* https://www.apan.org/<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: The All Partners Access Network (APAN) is an unclassified information sharing and collaboration enterprise for the United States Department of Defense (DOD). We are exploring using it as a potential replacement to Max.gov. Ahead of our next meeting, would a few people be willing to create an account (https://community.apan.org/support/w/kb/19051/1-create-apan-account/) and then attempt to join https://community.apan.org/wg/enterprise-mediawiki-community-of-practice/? I would like to get peopl<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: ^ feedback in the meeting to see if this will work as a viable alternative.<br /> #* About APAN - APAN provides the DOD and mission partners community spaces and collaborative tools to leverage information to effectively plan, train and respond to meet their business requirements and mission objectives. APAN makes these tools available over the open internet so individuals and organizations who do not have access to traditional DOD systems and networks can participate in information sharing and collaborative events.<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: Intellipedia. It's been written up. It's the Wikipedia on a classified network, with one very important difference: it's not anonymous. We want people to establish a reputation. If you're really good, we want people to know you're good. If you're making contributions, we want that known. If you're an idiot, we want that known too.<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia#Awards<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}}: Sean Dennehy talking about Intellipedia at EMWCon 2017 in Virginia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgCvpy2P_Fo&amp;list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2c9MIMVeuoI8Q7eFrnT9Mdi&amp;index=5<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}}: And, of course, Tom talking about PowerPedia at the same conference:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfkfMHl4DQw&amp;list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2c9MIMVeuoI8Q7eFrnT9Mdi&amp;index=9<br /> #* And, the full federal government panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZQ6lWg5Hww&amp;list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2c9MIMVeuoI8Q7eFrnT9Mdi&amp;index=10<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: I took Yaron's WikiWorks &quot;one good knife&quot; analogy and generalized it for MW in general .. here it is: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Xjac81qdj0igo64t<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://www.cisa.gov/zero-trust-maturity-model<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/M-22-09.pdf<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://www.intelink.gov/<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Sorry to eat up so much meeting time<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: No, that was really helpful, thanks Tom.<br /> #* I'd really like to know how we can help advocate for Powerpedia (using MW!).<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Thank you!<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Markus}}: Thanks Gergö<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: I think that was you Rich!<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}}: I still think we need the Acquia of MediaWiki: https://www.acquia.com/drupal/acquia-drupal<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: While MediaWiki is not a single software element solution that checks all the boxes of a security plan by itself (nothing is), it can, when used in conjunction with other administrative and technical elements of an overall system, definitely serve as the core element of a very secure knowledge infrastructure implementation. ~ Rich Evans (date unknown)<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Acquia does an excellent job of promoting Druapl. I would love to see the same for MediaWiki. # I feel like there are some efforts<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: NIST FIPS-199 defines 3 dimensions of cybersecurity:<br /> ## Confidentiality<br /> ## Integrity<br /> ## Accessibility<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: And each IT system is requires to rate each of these dimensions in one of 3 levels:<br /> ## LOW<br /> ## MODERATE<br /> ## HIGH<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://canasta.wiki/ or https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meza?<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Government wiki farm<br /> #* Plus adding some good starter templates (infobox, navbox, etc.) with template data<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: I would love to see NASA offer that as a service<br /> #* The CSP should be FedRAMP compliant<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Rich - Could you share more details at an upcoming Federal meeting?<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://usalearning.gov/ hosts NRC wiki<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Where is my ITIL manual when I need it<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: NIST FIPS 200 defines 20 control groups<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://wiki.en.it-processmaps.com/index.php/Availability_Management<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: NIST SP-800-53 Rev 5<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: We will let our ISSO team read Rev 5<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Nick}}: please respond to jeff's email. i am curious what the team thinks.<br /> <br /> ==Action board==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |Open<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon https://mwstake.org/mwstake/index.php?title=Event:174&diff=3252 Event:174 2023-06-05T21:22:49Z <p>Bryandamon: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Event<br /> |mwstake-meeting=Yes<br /> |start-date=2023/06/02<br /> |start-hour=15<br /> |start-minute=30<br /> |end-date=2023/06/02<br /> |end-hour=16<br /> |end-minute=30<br /> |url=https://meet.google.com/mdd-ufhn-ksb<br /> |attendees=Bryan Hildebrand, Cindy Cicalese, Gergő Tisza, Markus Glaser, Nick Gluzdov, Rich Evans, Thomas O'Neill<br /> }}<br /> ==Meeting agenda==<br /> # '''Wait for attendees &amp; chat''' {{Agenda time|5 min}}<br /> # '''Wiki Quickie''' {{Agenda time|5 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''MediaWiki News''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|Mark}}<br /> # '''TBD''' {{Agenda time|20 min}} {{Agenda presenter|TBD}}<br /> # '''Wiki Watercooler''' {{Agenda time|remaining}} {{Agenda presenter|Open Mic}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> The meeting voice transcription is available on the [[Event_talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]].<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}} '''PowerPedia'''<br /> #* {{Agenda presenter|Rich}} drafted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Application_Rationalizations<br /> #* There is a threat from SharePoint<br /> #* There is a consensus to keep the information in wiki format<br /> #* Some PowerPedia stats:<br /> #** Started 13 years ago<br /> #** 80k pages<br /> #** 13k content pages<br /> #** 300k edits<br /> #* Don Burke retired from the CIA (one of the early proponents of Intellipedia)<br /> #* DOE is divesting from [https://portal.max.gov/portal/home max.gox] (confluence) in favor of [https://www.apan.org/ apan.org]<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Links===<br /> * https://portal.max.gov/portal/home<br /> * https://www.apan.org/<br /> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia<br /> * https://youtu.be/dgCvpy2P_Fo<br /> * https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/M-22-09.pdf<br /> * https://www.cisa.gov/zero-trust-maturity-model<br /> * https://www.intelink.gov/my.policy<br /> <br /> ===Chat===<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2023/06/01/national-donut-day-2023-deals/70268964007/<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Gergo}}: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2023-06<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://portal.max.gov/portal/home<br /> #* https://www.apan.org/<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: The All Partners Access Network (APAN) is an unclassified information sharing and collaboration enterprise for the United States Department of Defense (DOD). We are exploring using it as a potential replacement to Max.gov. Ahead of our next meeting, would a few people be willing to create an account (https://community.apan.org/support/w/kb/19051/1-create-apan-account/) and then attempt to join https://community.apan.org/wg/enterprise-mediawiki-community-of-practice/? I would like to get peopl<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: ^ feedback in the meeting to see if this will work as a viable alternative.<br /> #* About APAN - APAN provides the DOD and mission partners community spaces and collaborative tools to leverage information to effectively plan, train and respond to meet their business requirements and mission objectives. APAN makes these tools available over the open internet so individuals and organizations who do not have access to traditional DOD systems and networks can participate in information sharing and collaborative events.<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: Intellipedia. It's been written up. It's the Wikipedia on a classified network, with one very important difference: it's not anonymous. We want people to establish a reputation. If you're really good, we want people to know you're good. If you're making contributions, we want that known. If you're an idiot, we want that known too.<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia#Awards<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}}: Sean Dennehy talking about Intellipedia at EMWCon 2017 in Virginia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgCvpy2P_Fo&amp;list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2c9MIMVeuoI8Q7eFrnT9Mdi&amp;index=5<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}}: And, of course, Tom talking about PowerPedia at the same conference:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfkfMHl4DQw&amp;list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2c9MIMVeuoI8Q7eFrnT9Mdi&amp;index=9<br /> #* And, the full federal government panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZQ6lWg5Hww&amp;list=PLQVG_tuf3Q2c9MIMVeuoI8Q7eFrnT9Mdi&amp;index=10<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: I took Yaron's WikiWorks &quot;one good knife&quot; analogy and generalized it for MW in general .. here it is: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Xjac81qdj0igo64t<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://www.cisa.gov/zero-trust-maturity-model<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/M-22-09.pdf<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://www.intelink.gov/<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Sorry to eat up so much meeting time<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: No, that was really helpful, thanks Tom.<br /> #* I'd really like to know how we can help advocate for Powerpedia (using MW!).<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Thank you!<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Markus}}: Thanks Gergö<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: I think that was you Rich!<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Cindy}}: I still think we need the Acquia of MediaWiki: https://www.acquia.com/drupal/acquia-drupal<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Bryan}}: While MediaWiki is not a single software element solution that checks all the boxes of a security plan by itself (nothing is), it can, when used in conjunction with other administrative and technical elements of an overall system, definitely serve as the core element of a very secure knowledge infrastructure implementation. ~ Rich Evans (date unknown)<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Acquia does an excellent job of promoting Druapl. I would love to see the same for MediaWiki. # I feel like there are some efforts<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: NIST FIPS-199 defines 3 dimensions of cybersecurity:<br /> ## Confidentiality<br /> ## Integrity<br /> ## Accessibility<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: And each IT system is requires to rate each of these dimensions in one of 3 levels:<br /> ## LOW<br /> ## MODERATE<br /> ## HIGH<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://canasta.wiki/ or https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meza?<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Government wiki farm<br /> #* Plus adding some good starter templates (infobox, navbox, etc.) with template data<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: I would love to see NASA offer that as a service<br /> #* The CSP should be FedRAMP compliant<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Rich - Could you share more details at an upcoming Federal meeting?<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://usalearning.gov/ hosts NRC wiki<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: Where is my ITIL manual when I need it<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: NIST FIPS 200 defines 20 control groups<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: https://wiki.en.it-processmaps.com/index.php/Availability_Management<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Rich}}: NIST SP-800-53 Rev 5<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Tom}}: We will let our ISSO team read Rev 5<br /> # {{Agenda presenter|Nick}}: please respond to jeff's email. i am curious what the team thinks.<br /> <br /> ==Action board==<br /> {{Actionable board<br /> |Open<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> |MWStake<br /> |True<br /> |View<br /> |{{PAGENAME}}<br /> }}</div> Bryandamon